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    Haven't we always been a "global economy"? The very discovery of America was because Europe was looking for a cheaper faster trade route to China for its trade goods. Mathew Perry was instrumental in expanding our trade into Japan. One of the first trade deals was with railroad engine manufacturers who sold them locomotives.What is changing is not that we are a global economy but that the rest of the world is catching up with us with technology and we are letting it happen by not educating our youth in important disciplines. We are more concerned about safe places and social justice then we are in engineering and mathematics.
    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    Haven't we always been a "global economy"? The very discovery of America was because Europe was looking for a cheaper faster trade route to China for its trade goods. Mathew Perry was instrumental in expanding our trade into Japan. One of the first trade deals was with railroad engine manufacturers who sold them locomotives.What is changing is not that we are a global economy but that the rest of the world is catching up with us with technology and we are letting it happen by not educating our youth in important disciplines. We are more concerned about safe places and social justice then we are in engineering and mathematics.
    I think you've made an excellent observation. They are catching up and I'm afraid you're right that we are not educating our youth to take us to the next level. That requires us investing in our youth and I think we are falling short in that area but I also don't want to hijack the conversation onto another topic of education.

    It's also neat that you took a course in Chinese history. I'm glad you joined the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    One of the things we have to figure out culturally is how to adapt to constraint/decline. Our whole leadership/management mentality is based on expansion/growth. We don't have a lot of cultural experience with effectively managing contraction/decline. It is new for us so it presents intellectual challenges unfamiliar to our collective psyche. It is why places like Detroit are chaos. We continue to expect/force growth when that simply is no longer possible there.
    Yes, this is certainly the challenge. I think we are also going to see more situations like the one in Detroit spread to other areas in the country as we become more technologically capable. It's a double edged sword.
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    Tall Caucasian Mummies of China

    "In a find that could turn conventional history on its head, scientists using genetic testing have discovered that Caucasians lived in western China's Tarim Basin a thousand years before East Asians arrived."

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    Oh please, this was a nice thread without the conspiracy crap.

    And since I saw the image of a swastika in one frame and references to "blond haired, blue eyed" I can only see this as another White Supremacist bull$#@! post.
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    China does not have a pure Communist system any longer. They have bonded Capitalism and Communism for the time being. There are Chinese billionaires. It remains to be seen if they can balance this for any length of time.

    They don't seem to want territory but influence. Their bases in the South China Sea don't mean much when we can freely navigate it. It does give them influence in Asia.

    I also remember when Japan was going to be the economic giant; then the Germans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion Rules View Post
    Tall Caucasian Mummies of China

    "In a find that could turn conventional history on its head, scientists using genetic testing have discovered that Caucasians lived in western China's Tarim Basin a thousand years before East Asians arrived."

    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    China does not have a pure Communist system any longer. They have bonded Capitalism and Communism for the time being. There are Chinese billionaires. It remains to be seen if they can balance this for any length of time.

    They don't seem to want territory but influence. Their bases in the South China Sea don't mean much when we can freely navigate it. It does give them influence in Asia.

    I also remember when Japan was going to be the economic giant; then the Germans.
    Yes, remember in the 80's all the hype that Japanese manufacturing was so much better than US. They gave their employees a job for life etc. Japan was going to own all of America (completely overlooking how much foreign businesses was owned by the United States). The Japanese automobiles were touted as the best in the world while ours were crap. How times change. Its also interesting that (1) perhaps the best cars for the average consumer on the road today are made in South Korea and both Japan and Germany are building cars in the United States because its cheaper to build here then in their own country. Walmart was going to sell Chinese cars but they were like Chinese food, a half hour after you drove one you had to drive one again.

    I think another issue which sort of contradicts previous arguments is that we are pushing everyone to go to college and many students are just not college material. That does not mean they are stupid but their talents lie in being machinist or plumbers etc. We can't design things anymore nor can we build them. 50 years ago American workmanship was second to none, today not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    I think another issue which sort of contradicts previous arguments is that we are pushing everyone to go to college and many students are just not college material. That does not mean they are stupid but their talents lie in being machinist or plumbers etc. We can't design things anymore nor can we build them. 50 years ago American workmanship was second to none, today not so much.
    I think you are spot on about college and I agree 100%. I hope you did not think my earlier comment was to promote only college. As you rightly point out there are other ways to educate our youth such as voc-tech.

    I learned more from my father through the chores he had me do then some of the college courses I took.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    I don't think it is possible to revise trade deals to our long term advantage. Most of them are so old, we have already paid the price for entering into them. Probably the most damage has been done by fungible technology. I am old enough that I recall that there used to be limits on foreign access to the latest US computer technology. Now anybody can get the stuff as soon as it is released if not sooner, which allows developing countries the ability to compete like they never could before. I am not saying it is better or worse philosophically, but it has come with economic costs.
    I believe you to be incorrect on restructuring trade deals. You cannot undo past permanent damage, but you can improve the future. Not thinking that way is incomprehensible. Of course changing deals can swing a deal your way.
    It is amazing to me the Dems haven't and can't seem to figure out why Trump was elected. Why they lost the middle Blue Voters. Here is one big reason. The BIG TENT PARTY isn't so big anymore. Middle Blue Collar dems are not accepted because they don't agree with the left wing. They are attacked and ridiculed in today's Dem party. One is not allowed to disagree. The whole selling point of the Dem Party was the ability to differ. Not anymore.

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