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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Exercising skepticism of the US government's inflammatory allegations does not require any faith or confidence in the Russian government.
    In your case this seems not to be true.
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    The results of a "reconstruction" are not facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    In your case this seems not to be true.
    I'm sure you believe that.
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    So far, not a single cogent fact produced by the collusionists.
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    There is zero proof that Gufficer 2.0 had anything to do with hacking Podesta's emails.

    There is zero proof that Guccifer 2.0 was an agent of Wikileaks.

    There is zero proof that Guccifer 2.0 was an agent of the Russian government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The results of a "reconstruction" are not facts.
    So what, in your opinion, would constitute proof?
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    The only thing we can be fairly certain of is that Guccifer 2.0 accessed the DNC's servers and published some of the data contained therein.

    But those servers and that data are TOTALLY DIFFERENT from the Podesta emails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    So what, in your opinion, would constitute proof?
    Facts would be a nice start.
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    Podesta wasn't hacked. It was a phishing scheme.
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    I will use this thread to examine, address, and rebut the main points of the Russian "collusion" conspiracy theory being peddled by the deep state and its minions. And I will use a specific iteration of that theory, promoted by one of the strongest proponents of the "collusion" narrative, as a baseline for demonstrating just how empty and baseless that theory is.

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    Point one: There is no proof that Wikileaks is backed by the Kremlin. This is pure speculation based on nothing concrete.

    Point two: There is no proof that Wikileaks "stole" Podesta's email. That is not even Wikileaks MO. They are known for receiving and publishing documents, not extracting them.

    Point three: The entity known as Guccifer 2.0 is alleged to have hacked the DNC's servers, NOT Podesta's email account. The hack of Podesta's email account is a SEPARATE incident from the hack of the DNC's servers by Guccifer 2.0. There is no proof at all that Guccifer 2.0 hacked Podesta's emails, nor is there any proof that Guccifer 2.0 is an agent of Wikileaks.

    Point four: Hints in the press? So speculative that it's not even worth addressing

    So in about ten minutes, I've been able to dismantle months worth of conspiracy theory. And it wasn't hard at all. Now just imagine how easily Trump's high-powered lawyers would rip this "theory" to shreds if it ever found its way into a courtroom. That would be fun to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Facts would be a nice start.
    I've given you facts, you discount them out of hand. I have the feeling that if I produced an eye witness you would find a reason why he wasn't credible. I don't think there is anything that can persuade you period.
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