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    Here you go. a few facts. Cue attack on source of widely accepted facts...

    " ...Pause for a moment and ponder this. The US intelligence community has concluded that Vladimir Putin ordered a clandestine act of information warfare against the United States to harm Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump during the election. And during that race, Trumpís camp had a series of contacts with Russians or suspected cut-outs. Also throughout the time Putinís operation was under way, Trump and his lieutenants kept denying this assault was happeningóeven after his top campaign aides were informed that Moscow wanted to secretly assist Trump and after Trump was briefed by US intelligence agencies that Russia was behind the hack-and-dump assaults targeting Clinton and the Democrats. That is, the public now knows that the United States was attacked by Putin, that Trump associates were interacting with Russians during this period, and that Trump and his crew, intentionally or not, provided cover for Moscow by insisting no such operation was occurring.

    Yet what now draws the ire of congressional Republicans the most is Steele and his reports. ..."

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...on-is-obvious/
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    Where is the crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Here you go. a few facts. Cue attack on source of widely accepted facts...

    " ...Pause for a moment and ponder this. The US intelligence community has concluded that Vladimir Putin ordered a clandestine act of information warfare against the United States to harm Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump during the election. And during that race, Trump’s camp had a series of contacts with Russians or suspected cut-outs. Also throughout the time Putin’s operation was under way, Trump and his lieutenants kept denying this assault was happening—even after his top campaign aides were informed that Moscow wanted to secretly assist Trump and after Trump was briefed by US intelligence agencies that Russia was behind the hack-and-dump assaults targeting Clinton and the Democrats. That is, the public now knows that the United States was attacked by Putin, that Trump associates were interacting with Russians during this period, and that Trump and his crew, intentionally or not, provided cover for Moscow by insisting no such operation was occurring.

    Yet what now draws the ire of congressional Republicans the most is Steele and his reports. ..."

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...on-is-obvious/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Nobody thinks WikiLeaks style Podesta's email. The US intelligence community however say that Russian hackers did and gave them to WikiLeaks so they could distribute them in a semi deniable fashion.
    You are crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    You are trolling across threads. It's dishonest and against the rules.
    That is most certainly not trolling.

    Your typical thread more fits that bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I will use this thread to examine, address, and rebut the main points of the Russian "collusion" conspiracy theory being peddled by the deep state and its minions. And I will use a specific iteration of that theory, promoted by one of the strongest proponents of the "collusion" narrative, as a baseline for demonstrating just how empty and baseless that theory is.

    To wit:


    Point one: There is no proof that Wikileaks is backed by the Kremlin. This is pure speculation based on nothing concrete.

    Point two: There is no proof that Wikileaks "stole" Podesta's email. That is not even Wikileaks MO. They are known for receiving and publishing documents, not extracting them.

    Point three: The entity known as Guccifer 2.0 is alleged to have hacked the DNC's servers, NOT Podesta's email account. The hack of Podesta's email account is a SEPARATE incident from the hack of the DNC's servers by Guccifer 2.0. There is no proof at all that Guccifer 2.0 hacked Podesta's emails, nor is there any proof that Guccifer 2.0 is an agent of Wikileaks.

    Point four: Hints in the press? So speculative that it's not even worth addressing

    So in about ten minutes, I've been able to dismantle months worth of conspiracy theory. And it wasn't hard at all. Now just imagine how easily Trump's high-powered lawyers would rip this "theory" to shreds if it ever found its way into a courtroom. That would be fun to watch.
    You are trolling across threads. It's dishonest and against the rules. You should have addressed this within the thread where it was contained. I would have responded.

    There is no chance that I will indulge you here.

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    That is not trolling. Check out any of your threads for trolling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    You are trolling across threads. It's dishonest and against the rules. You should have addressed this within the thread where it was contained. I would have responded.

    There is no chance that I will indulge you here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Where is the crime?
    If you still can't see any there's no explanation I can give you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Here you go. a few facts. Cue attack on source of widely accepted facts...

    " ...Pause for a moment and ponder this. The US intelligence community has concluded that Vladimir Putin ordered a clandestine act of information warfare against the United States to harm Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump during the election. And during that race, Trump’s camp had a series of contacts with Russians or suspected cut-outs. Also throughout the time Putin’s operation was under way, Trump and his lieutenants kept denying this assault was happening—even after his top campaign aides were informed that Moscow wanted to secretly assist Trump and after Trump was briefed by US intelligence agencies that Russia was behind the hack-and-dump assaults targeting Clinton and the Democrats. That is, the public now knows that the United States was attacked by Putin, that Trump associates were interacting with Russians during this period, and that Trump and his crew, intentionally or not, provided cover for Moscow by insisting no such operation was occurring.

    Yet what now draws the ire of congressional Republicans the most is Steele and his reports. ..."

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...on-is-obvious/
    all I can say is.......mother jones? really? hahahahahahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    You are trolling across threads. It's dishonest and against the rules. You should have addressed this within the thread where it was contained. I would have responded.
    There is no chance that I will indulge you here.
    ..........you cannot disprove any of his statements.................
    as for your last comment, you should not have entered into this thread in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    I've given you facts, you discount them out of hand. I have the feeling that if I produced an eye witness you would find a reason why he wasn't credible. I don't think there is anything that can persuade you period.
    You cited a "reconstruction" and its results, thinking they were facts. Clearly, you have no idea what a fact actually is.
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