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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Correct, I read an article today that was asking people to put the iguanas they found in direct sunlight, that way they might make it.

    I'm almost ready to get another cat though. I would get a rescue for sure. My last one was a siamese that I rescued, hard to find because they are so well behaved and loyal. She definitely was that.
    The cat I had before was a tiger striped tom. He was great, but very needy, much like a dog. Being as busy as I am, it was hard to keep him happy, but I managed. If I do get another cat, it will have to be female, as they value their alone time. Male cats need a lot more attention.

    I had a grey tabby in law school. He was a fighter.

    Now I have two rag dolls- they are not fighters. I could never let them outside. My old grey tabby took daily jaunts into the swap in South East Louisiana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    They are relatively small snakes and for their length, not especially muscular looking. A garter snake of the same length isn't really much thinner.
    You were saying? Look, good Dr, you don't have to be the expert in every field, I am sure your google is getting a workout tonight, I have known mosy of this close to 30 years.

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    Just as heavy bodied as most boas of that short length.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    They are relatively small snakes and for their length, not especially muscular looking. A garter snake of the same length isn't really much thinner.
    Umm... no. pythons get very large. The one I was looking to adopt was 4 feet long and he was young according to the shelter. He was about this size in this photo:

    https://www.reference.com/pets-anima...fa004fbb44933f

    He was definitely a pretty big snake and would have gotten bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    There is a rather significant difference between hemotoxins and neurotoxins. Hemotoxins poison your blood and affect the cardiovascular system. Neurotoxins affect the nervous system and the brain. Viperids do produce hemotoxins. Other snakes produce cytotoxins which cause heart failure in their victims. It appears that more recent research indicates that Komodos actually produce venom and they have a horrific bite. Their favorite prey, water buffalo, tend to retreat to highly contaminated water when they have been bitten and succumb to infection rapidly hence the original theory that the Komodo had a mouthful of bacteria. Turns out the Komodo's mouth is really very clean. http://phenomena.nationalgeographic....s-dirty-mouth/
    Now you know, too. I was going to post pics of the necrosis that hemotoxins induce, but it was a bit over the top. It not only causes death, but starts the process of digestion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    Actually, what I saw, says it is recent and still debatable. Unless I see an academic paper on it, I doubt it very much. The internet, everyones an instant expert, these days.
    Long before this information came to light I suspected that they had some venom. My aunt accidentally stepped on a garter snake and it bit her ankle. She wasn't allergic to anything, but her ankle swelled right up after the bite. Snakes don't have dirty mouths. They don't eat often enough to incubate high levels of bacteria in their mouths and they don't chew their food. Their bite is for killing only, otherwise, they just swallow their food whole. Where would all this nasty bacteria in their mouths come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Umm... no. pythons get very large. The one I was looking to adopt was 4 feet long and he was young according to the shelter. He was about this size in this photo:

    https://www.reference.com/pets-anima...fa004fbb44933f

    He was definitely a pretty big snaked would have gotten bigger.
    They can get really big
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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Umm... no. pythons get very large. The one I was looking to adopt was 4 feet long and he was young according to the shelter. He was about this size in this photo:

    https://www.reference.com/pets-anima...fa004fbb44933f
    They go from about 3 ft at maturity to over 25 ft. Depends on the species (of which there are many) A 4 ft ball python is close to full grown, a 6 fter is large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    Now you know, too. I was going to post pics of the necrosis that hemotoxins induce, but it was a bit over the top. It not only causes death, but starts the process of digestion.
    The necrosis is also secondary to the specifically digestive enzymes that are part of the toxic $#@!tail. Snake venom is quite a combination of different chemicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Long before this information came to light I suspected that they had some venom. My aunt accidentally stepped on a garter snake and it bit her ankle. She wasn't allergic to anything, but her ankle swelled right up after the bite. Snakes don't have dirty mouths. They don't eat often enough to incubate high levels of bacteria in their mouths and they don't chew their food. Their bite is for killing only, otherwise, they just swallow their food whole. Where would all this nasty bacteria in their mouths come from?
    When I was a boy, I was playing with one, it bit my fingertip and began walking its jaws up, until my finger was engulfed to the knuckle. An hour later, with aid of water, I was fine just like the other (likely a hundred times) I was bit as a boy that was always catching snakes.


    As far as the method that snakes eat, thanks for explaining what I have known since i was a child. Snakes don't use listerine, garter snakes love eating frogs and fish.

    As a child, I would put gold fish in my garter snakes water dish and watch as it ate them.

    The mouth is probably the dirtiest part of any animal, garter snakes also eat rodents, when larger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    They go from about 3 ft at maturity to over 25 ft. Depends on the species (of which there are many) A 4 ft ball python is close to full grown, a 6 fter is large.
    Yeah, I missed out. I should have gotten one when I was much younger. They really are nice animals. I first got introduced to snakes when friend of mine I worked with brought a baby boa in to the office. She raises them to this day. When her baby snake wrapped itself around my forearm and went to sleep, I was kind of in love. It was unsettling at first, but she explained it this way, "What is she going to do to you? Her mouth can't even get around your thumb. You're not afraid of a labrador are you? That dog can kill you easily. So can a Doberman. She can't do anything to hurt you, relax."

    But again, too late for me to have a snake. I'm too old.
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