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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannons Front View Post
    His freedom of speech is being challenged as the Gov't is not prohibiting his speech. However his personal conduct including speech while in uniform representing the University can be controlled. The complaint letter was addressed to the University about an issue that brings a negative light to the University. That is not a free speech issue and the idea of free speech has nothing to do with it.
    But maybe you do not understand that the 1st amendment was a restriction placed on the Gov't, they can not restrict free speech, although they do in regards to some aspects. Companies and even Universities can restrict what people do when representing them.
    The university is a public school, therefore a government actor. So essentially, it will be the gov't restricting his speech if he is sanctioned for his words.

    Ain't that right, @Chris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    That is only ok if you're a congressperson present for the state of the union and you yell out "you lie", or anything directed towards Obama. Since it's Trump, it's weird how suddenly the conservative constitutionalists are now acting like liberal snowflakes.
    It was inappropriate for the Member of Congress to yell out at the POTUS as it was disrespectful and not fitting for the office, that is correct and I have always said so, do you think it is inappropriate for Congressmen now who publicly disrespect the POTUS? It really is the same?
    "The powers of the federal government are enumerated; it can only operate in certain cases; it has legislative powers on defined and limited objects, beyond which it cannot extend its jurisdiction." James Madison 1788

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannons Front View Post
    His freedom of speech is being challenged as the Gov't is not prohibiting his speech. However his personal conduct including speech while in uniform representing the University can be controlled. The complaint letter was addressed to the University about an issue that brings a negative light to the University. That is not a free speech issue and the idea of free speech has nothing to do with it.
    But maybe you do not understand that the 1st amendment was a restriction placed on the Gov't, they can not restrict free speech, although they do in regards to some aspects. Companies and even Universities can restrict what people do when representing them.

    Very nicely stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannons Front View Post
    His freedom of speech is being challenged as the Gov't is not prohibiting his speech. However his personal conduct including speech while in uniform representing the University can be controlled. The complaint letter was addressed to the University about an issue that brings a negative light to the University. That is not a free speech issue and the idea of free speech has nothing to do with it.
    But maybe you do not understand that the 1st amendment was a restriction placed on the Gov't, they can not restrict free speech, although they do in regards to some aspects. Companies and even Universities can restrict what people do when representing them.
    Indeed, the entire Constitution was a set of restrictions on what the government could and could not do.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    I was not aware that Rep. Wilson was the "left".

    What????????????????????????????????

    Where did I say or imply that Wilson was on the left?

    Don't be foolish please.

    The issue is not really that he yelled obscenities at Trump but that he did it during what should have been a non partisan family event.
    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    What????????????????????????????????

    Where did I say or imply that Wilson was on the left?

    Don't be foolish please.

    The issue is not really that he yelled obscenities at Trump but that he did it during what should have been a non partisan family event.
    I've bolded what I was referring to. I have this issue where I actually read the entire post from someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    My bet is the football player really has no idea that we actually have a President of the United States. He thinks the country is run by coaches.

    I am always shocked at how little class the left has anymore. When the Congressman yelled liar at Obama the left had a bad case of the vapors and the truth is while not obscene or in a family setting he should not have done that, it was poor manners. When some thug of a football player, yells obscenities during a sporting event he is suddenly a world hero, invited on the Oprah and Steven Cobert shows and given a scholarship to Harvard for his "political acumen".

    It isn't that he "criticized" the President, it's his extreme lack of judgement in the venue of that criticism and more, the disgusting acceptance of being crude by the leftist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannons Front View Post
    It was inappropriate for the Member of Congress to yell out at the POTUS as it was disrespectful and not fitting for the office, that is correct and I have always said so, do you think it is inappropriate for Congressmen now who publicly disrespect the POTUS? It really is the same?
    I think a lot of things people do are inappropriate, regardless the political affiliation they hold. However, pointing out one reaction some had for eight years, then suddenly it is flipped because someone different is in office, is not only valid, but necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    The university is a public school, therefore a government actor. So essentially, it will be the gov't restricting his speech if he is sanctioned for his words.

    Ain't that right, @Chris.
    Bump to highlight the crickets...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    The university is a public school, therefore a government actor. So essentially, it will be the gov't restricting his speech if he is sanctioned for his words.
    Ain't that right, @Chris.
    Not So and SCOTUS has ruled as much in multiple cases:
    The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized that the right to freedom of expression isn’t quite the same for children at school as it is for adults in other settings. Several lower courts have recognized another principle: The younger the students, the more leeway schools have to control their speech. (By the same token, colleges and universities have less latitude when they try to restrict older students’ speech.)

    Schools may restrict students’ speech if it:
    • is likely to disrupt school
    • is lewd
    • promotes illegal drug use, or
    • is part of the curriculum or communications sponsored by the school.

    The Supreme Court found that the First Amendment didn’t prevent schools from disciplining children for offensively lewd and indecent speech. As the court explained, society’s interest in teaching “the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior” outweighed the student’s right to express his views in a way that was highly offensive.(Bethel School Dist. No. 403 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).)

    Teachers and other school authorities are allowed to censor or change what students write or say in school-sponsored publications (like an official school newspaper or yearbook), school plays, or other activities. (Hazelwood School Dist. v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988).)

    There are other examples as well.

    Universities are also employers who can restrict what School representatives can say while representing their University, the boy can say all he wants out of uniform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    Bump to highlight the crickets...
    Sorry had some PC issues, must be the net neutrality death bloom
    "The powers of the federal government are enumerated; it can only operate in certain cases; it has legislative powers on defined and limited objects, beyond which it cannot extend its jurisdiction." James Madison 1788

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