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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Youre too smart for most of us Doc, I love to watch you and chris go at it, I stay the hell out of it because I can never figure out what you two are talking about but I read it
    Thanks, but you hold your own very well indeed. We just have different areas of interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    This whole business of lies vs truth is highly subjective.
    Truth is never subjective.

    People see things through their own unique perspectives. You can challenge their perceptions, but calling them blatantly dishonest assumes that they are deliberately trying to lie.
    That is because most of the time, they are. When a statement has been demonstrated to be false, and someone continues to try to pass it off as fact, unless they are too stupid to understand the difference (which is possible regarding the particular "advisor" in question), that person is being dishonest.

    How would they benefit from those supposed lies? They don't get paid to post, they aren't signing up membership to a political party. They have no reason to lie. They might be wrong, but they are not lying.
    Nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I think what cletus is referring too is basically the media that has been proven to be doing alot of lieing about trump. Then members post that here as truth and they defend it, and thats taken as dishonest, both the left and right here are guilty of never admitting much of the time when theyve been proven wrong and that makes for the appearance of dishonesty.
    On occasion, it is proven to be untrue but more often than not all that cut and dried and it's a battle of news sources. I really have a problem with calling people liars because it impugns their character. If I don't believe someone's assertion, I'd rather say something like 'color me sceptical' or 'I'm unconvinced'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I proposed that someone be responsible for growing the board. I was uniformly laughed at. But, it appears my suggestion was acted upon.

    No one thought to thank me.

    I once heard a story, a true story, about a man who gave a seven-figure contribution to a do-gooder group. No one in that organization asked him how he would like to be thanked. That is how it is here.

    Indeed, more communication between mods and members would do everyone good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Youre too smart for most of us Doc, I love to watch you and chris go at it, I stay the hell out of it because I can never figure out what you two are talking about but I read it
    Except, in fact, we don't go at it. Who will post opinion A, I will address her opinion A and counter with opinion B, and then Who will quote me and reply with opinion C having nothing whatsoever to do with either her opinio A or my opinion B. It may look like a discussion but isn't. As of late I have pushed her back to A and B and she gets irritated.

    Perhaps she's French because French rhetoric has that roundabout style and opposed to the more straightforward British and American style.

    (Please, I am talking about posting style and not her personally. Unlike her who when she gets irritated attacks personally.)

    ((And as I post this I wonder again why a town hall keeps drifting into talking about members.))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Truth is never subjective.



    That is because most of the time, they are. When a statement has been demonstrated to be false, and someone continues to try to pass it off as fact, unless they are too stupid to understand the difference (which is possible regarding the particular "advisor" in question), that person is being dishonest.



    Nonsense.

    Truth is never subjective.
    Not to one who adheres to the classical liberal ideology.

    For one who adheres to counter-Enlightenment ideology, from Rousseau, Hegel...on to post-modern ideology, truth is entirely subjective, allows for contradiction, does not exist. Understand that and you will understand the posts of many a "thoughtful" liberal member here. --The question then becomes how do you argue with such views?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Truth is never subjective.



    That is because most of the time, they are. When a statement has been demonstrated to be false, and someone continues to try to pass it off as fact, unless they are too stupid to understand the difference (which is possible regarding the particular "advisor" in question), that person is being dishonest.



    Nonsense.

    Truth is never subjective.
    Not to one who adheres to the classical liberal ideology.

    For one who adheres to counter-Enlightenment ideology, from Rousseau, Hegel...on to post-modern ideology, truth is entirely subjective, allows for contradiction, does not exist. Understand that and you will understand the posts of many a "thoughtful" liberal member here. --The question then becomes how do you argue with such views?
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Truth is never subjective.



    That is because most of the time, they are. When a statement has been demonstrated to be false, and someone continues to try to pass it off as fact, unless they are too stupid to understand the difference (which is possible regarding the particular "advisor" in question), that person is being dishonest.



    Nonsense.
    OK, since we are generally discussing how to improve the forum and cut down on the sort of things that either alienate the membership or scare off new members, how we treat each other while we disagree is the difference between a hostile wasteland of fighting and bickering and someplace where people join discussions.

    When threads simply devolve into a mutual insult society, what we attract is trolls, because anyone who actually wants to have a conversation wouldn't join the forum unless they were paid.

    The tenor of our threads of late is laying bait for trolls. If we as members don't want to attract trolls, then we shouldn't create a troll-attractive environment. That may mean considering your words when you respond, so that you are not promoting hostile responses and thus exciting the lurking trolls seeking a new hunting ground.

    Trolls will be deliberately dishonest just to instigate fights because that is their purpose. They pick a side and go out of their way to irritate and aggravate others, especially those who don't routinely rise to the bait. They post offensive memes and dog members across threads, needling them relentlessly and derailing threads until they are ultimately banned, but by then they have damaged the forum.

    It's up to all of us to create the forum that we want. The Mods cannot create it for us. We are all responsible for our contributions.
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    I would like to take a second to offer a few words about our mods. They aren't perfect, I'm not trying to say that, but they are offering a service to this forum FREE OF CHARGE. I was a moderator here and lasted less than two months. The stress was absolutely more than I could handle coupled with the normal stresses of my every day life. I can't think of anyone, anyone at all, who would actually want to moderate this board the way it currently is. People hardly want to post here any more for gosh sakes. But still these four do it, and don't $#@! about what an absolute thankless job it is. I personally would have jumped ship a long time ago if I were any one of them. All they get is griping and complaining. There are things that could be done differently moderation wise that would probably help the board, we all have our opinions on that. I just think that we should offer our opinions in a little more of a constructive manner, without the unnecessary personal attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Except, in fact, we don't go at it. Who will post opinion A, I will address her opinion A and counter with opinion B, and then Who will quote me and reply with opinion C having nothing whatsoever to do with either her opinio A or my opinion B. It may look like a discussion but isn't. As of late I have pushed her back to A and B and she gets irritated.

    Perhaps she's French because French rhetoric has that roundabout style and opposed to the more straightforward British and American style.

    (Please, I am talking about posting style and not her personally. Unlike her who when she gets irritated attacks personally.)

    ((And as I post this I wonder again why a town hall keeps drifting into talking about members.))
    No. It's just that you seem to generally misunderstand or misconstrue what I am saying and when I try a different way of explaining, you invariably conclude it is an alternate opinion. It's all related, but we are incapable of communicating with any clarity. FYI you make plenty of personal remarks. You just don't recognize them as such and then wonder why I become irritated. I can only conclude that you are from Mars and I am from Venus and there is a fundamental language barrier.
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