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Thread: First 2018 Advisor Town Hall

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    One really cool thing is that he now has lifetime access to the tomb "quarters" where those on duty live and practice. I'm planning a trip with him very soon, if he is up to it, to show my kids around Arlington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    You chose to bring me up in conversation with Common. I said nothing about you in my response to him. I responded to your comment because you couldn't resist the impulse to denigrate me.

    My comments about my perceptions of the problems on the forum and my own likes and dislikes were very general and given that I am also a member, also have a right to express myself in these town halls as much as any other member. Other than my response to you, I referenced no other member of this forum.

    False, I did not bring you up.

    I said nothing about you, only your rhetorical style of posting. That's not you. It's probably cultural.

    I did not denigrate you. Why do you make these things up? Anyone can go back and see what I posted. It was not a personal denigration.

    No one said you couldn't express your opinions. Though I do think talking about yourself should be excluded same as talking about other members. It's off-topic after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    FIGHT NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! folks
    All I did is comment on Who's rhetorical style. She's making it personal. I have no interest in fighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    False, I did not bring you up.

    I said nothing about you, only your rhetorical style of posting. That's not you. It's probably cultural.

    I did not denigrate you. Why do you make these things up? Anyone can go back and see what I posted. It was not a personal denigration.

    No one said you couldn't express your opinions. Though I do think talking about yourself should be excluded same as talking about other members. It's off-topic after all.
    Dr Who has gone on record saying "No constrictors are native to the United States" so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    Dr Who has gone on record saying "No constrictors are native to the United States" so...
    Coluber constrictor anthicus, but we slither off topic. :P
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    3 threads in two minutes, that must be a record @Bob the Slob .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    False, I did not bring you up.

    I said nothing about you, only your rhetorical style of posting. That's not you. It's probably cultural.

    I did not denigrate you. Why do you make these things up? Anyone can go back and see what I posted. It was not a personal denigration.

    No one said you couldn't express your opinions. Though I do think talking about yourself should be excluded same as talking about other members. It's off-topic after all.
    False. Period. Your words:
    Except, in fact, we don't go at it. Who will post opinion A, I will address her opinion A and counter with opinion B, and then Who will quote me and reply with opinion C having nothing whatsoever to do with either her opinio A or my opinion B. It may look like a discussion but isn't. As of late I have pushed her back to A and B and she gets irritated.

    Perhaps she's French because French rhetoric has that roundabout style and opposed to the more straightforward British and American style.

    (Please, I am talking about posting style and not her personally. Unlike her who when she gets irritated attacks personally.)

    ((And as I post this I wonder again why a town hall keeps drifting into talking about members.))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    False. Period. Your words:
    What you cited as an example is me talking about what you post, how you post, your rhetorical style. Like I said, anyone can read that post and see the words "Who will post opinion A, I will address her opinion A and counter with opinion B, and then Who will quote me and reply "--that's talking about your posting.

    That's quite different than the following example of rudely talking about another person, that is "Unlike her who when she gets irritated attacks personally":

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Not to be rude, but you are sometimes rather insensitive i.e. if it doesn't bother you, it shouldn't bother others. Certainly, a number of times you actually admitted you didn't notice that a post was racist when everyone else did, so I don't think that you are the best arbiter of issues that don't really find a home in your frame of reference.
    Or should we return to your call out against me using Latin, of all silly things.
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    Thank you for your input. I will make sure that replies do come back from the discussions generated by this TH.

    This thread is now closed.
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    Responses to the town hall, per member requests...

    First one:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    (1) On townhalls, I voted don't care. Why should we? We have townhall after townhall with all sorts of suggestions for improving the forum and its moderation, some negative, some positive, whatever, but we never get any feedback on any of it. So what's the point?

    (2) Somewhere someone said Advisors should be neutral. I disagree. They can be liberal, conservative or libertarian; anarchist, socialist or statist, Rep or Dem or Independent; or whatever. That should not matter. What should is that they start threads and contribute to discussion in a sincere way and not play games. --And for that, they need to be around. --Replace as needed.

    (3) A request for moderation: Could you please rewrite the rules so they align with what you moderate for? Moderation should refer to the rule violated. 80%, perhaps more, of moderation is for talking about other members, back and forth, even bickering. OK, fine, please add those to the rules. It's odd to be moderated for behavior not in the rules. --Note, this is a constructive suggestion for improvement that ought by next town hall to get some feedback. This is what I mean by (1) above.
    With regards to your third point, majority of those posts talking about members, "back and forth" or bickering is off-topic posting or flat-out insults. Posting in bad faith would also apply.

    Second one:
    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    I would like to see the advisors, mods, and @ADMIN talk and work on defining off-topic trolling and how to moderate it equally across the board. As well as explaining how one member is threadbanned for talking about a member after a warning was issued, but two additional members engaged in the same act are not (yea, I’m pretty sure it was reported). At the moment, the current metric isn’t close to passing the sniff test.

    Thanks.
    We go through the best we can to thread ban individuals who violate the warning but it is hard to go through 40 plus pages and find every example, and no it is not reported with any consistency, and after we give out the first couple thread bans people may begin to post off-topic again but it doesn't get reported and we don't go back and check. Maybe we should check, but that would be laborious.

    Third one:
    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Suggestion... Instead of these silly assed "thread bans", which do more to kill threads than the people supposedly disrupting them, impose a 12 or 24-hourban from the thread and allow the person banned to reenter the tread after the time has passed. That gives enough time for the poster accused of being disruptive to calm down and contribute to the thread again instead of jut being kept out of the discussion.

    Thread bans should only be used for the most egregious offenses or for a continuing pattern of offenses (in that thread) and not just because somebody got their panties in a wad and reported what someone else said as "offensive". This is not Kindergarten.

    Another thing... If someone does report another poster, that information, including the name of the person doing the reporting and what specifically was reported, should be given to the person reported. If someone wants to report someone else, he should be willing to acknowledge and justify his actions. This anonymous snitch way of doing things makes it too easy for someone to report someone just to get him out of a thread. The mods just kind of nod their heads and push the kill switch. It is easier that way. That way they don't have to take responsibility for their decisions.
    Technology does not really allow for temporary thread bans, and plenty of people earn the inability to continue being an $#@!.

    And no, we are not posting who reports who or what. The confidentiality of those reports helps ensure that members do not feel like they can't file a report without facing backlash. Sure, some abuse the ability to report a post but the moderation team is usually pretty good at sussing out bull$#@!.


    Fourth one:
    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Moderators should respond in town hall meetings. Generally, the purpose of a town hall meeting is to get the authorities to respond to questions or concerns in a public setting.
    Our policy has always been to only have one or two mods, max, involved in town hall threads or general complaint threads because the rules are like laws we all interpret differently and we try to avoid providing inconsistent information. Most moderators, myself included, hesitate to answer questions in a town hall because the four of us are on equal footing and should really discuss issues before posting about them, as well as getting input from ADMIN. Additionally, we are not on trial which is what would happen in most threads that discuss moderation to any degree. There are always a handful of members that just want to beat us over the head repeatedly for no particular reason other than enjoying it.


    From the moderation team. Questions/concerns can be directed to any of us or ADMIN if desired, but this was approved before being posted.

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