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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I add a few words in bold brackets for a reason. I'll finish quoting before I get to the reason for its failure, leaving that to reading or discussion. Oh, it's a review of Patrick Deneen's Why Liberalism Failed,

    Announcing the Death of Classical Liberalism



    I'm not so interested in its failure but in the inherent contradictions in liberalism.
    What's new here? A right winger bashing liberalism? He's bashed it for years.

    https://www.firstthings.com/featured...trick-j-deneen
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    Because we're not in fact autonomous but part of and even defined by society, as Eth says, "a particular social order at a particular time" and place.
    Exactly. One of my primary objections to progressive politics is precisely the tension between the demand for personal autonomy and the demand for community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob the Slob View Post
    What's new here? A right winger bashing liberalism? He's bashed it for years.

    https://www.firstthings.com/featured...trick-j-deneen
    If you had bothered to read the OP and interview you'd know he was announcing the death of classical liberalism from which both left- and right-liberalism branch.

    Deneen is also a professor at Notre Dame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    If you had bothered to read the OP and interview you'd know he was announcing the death of classical liberalism from which both left- and right-liberalism branch.

    Deneen is also a professor at Notre Dame.
    He's just trying to get a rise out of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Exactly. One of my primary objections to progressive politics is precisely the tension between the demand for personal autonomy and the demand for community.
    Which might be good if it were holistic, organic, natural, and not individualistic, designed and artificial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    He's just trying to get a rise out of you.
    I'm too sleepy. I'm sure he'll appreciate Notre Dame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Which might be good if it were holistic, organic, natural, and not individualistic, designed and artificial.
    They wouldn't want that because that entails the elevation of obligation and duty above privacy and liberty. Granted, this is a socio-cultural phenomenon that is not specific to progressives but progressives believe they're community oriented because 1) they pay their taxes and 2) pay lip service to the "correct" ideals. At the end of the day, however, their personal "rights" trump all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    They wouldn't want that because that entails the elevation of obligation and duty above privacy and liberty. Granted, this is a socio-cultural phenomenon that is not specific to progressives but progressives believe they're community oriented because 1) they pay their taxes and 2) pay lip service to the "correct" ideals. At the end of the day, however, their personal "rights" trump all.
    I'm realizing more and more it's not just progressives. That's too easy an argument. I'm looking at this topic as a challenge to my own views.

    I just recently read an essay, "Mill, Stephen, and the Nature of Freedom, " by Roger Kimbal, in the collection, The Betrayal Of Liberalism, that you'd like, the excoriates a one-time ideological hero of mine, Mill and his On Liberty, and exposes it to fall into the same pattern of using reason to free yourself from the chains of the past and present social order only design a new set of chains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I'm realizing more and more it's not just progressives. That's too easy an argument. I'm looking at this topic as a challenge to my own views.

    I just recently read an essay, "Mill, Stephen, and the Nature of Freedom, " by Roger Kimbal, in the collection, The Betrayal Of Liberalism, that you'd like, the excoriates a one-time ideological hero of mine, Mill and his On Liberty, and exposes it to fall into the same pattern of using reason to free yourself from the chains of the past and present social order only design a new set of chains.
    Like I said, I'm aware of it, I critique it but it's unavoidably a part of me.
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