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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Our force is broken and needs to be rebuilt. And the focus needs to be on near peer adviseries.
    Correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    It does seem rather odd then that those obsolete aircraft and naval ships are not junked but sold to other countries that get another 10 to 20 serviceable years out of them. Do they just have better mechanics or could those who really want new toys be dragging their feet on repairs deliberately to make the stats look bad? In government, if you don't make a case for getting rid of something, you'll never get anything new. So if you keep the older planes and ships in really good working order then it's much harder to justify buying new ones.
    Name one of these nations which would be interested in buying our worn out nuclear powered aircraft carriers or fighter jets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Why? Is there any military out there that is more modern or any bad guys with better weapons? Is this really about need or want?
    We have aircraft, and other pieces of equipment we cannot deploy because there aren't the parts needed to maintain them. That's a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    We have aircraft, and other pieces of equipment we cannot deploy because there aren't the parts needed to maintain them. That's a problem.
    Millwrights can reproduce any parts if they are made from metal. Furthermore, if the US government approaches the original manufacturers for parts and suggests that they will be off the list of contenders for new equipment unless they can provide replacement parts, do you really think that they will give their biggest customer the middle finger? I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Millwrights can reproduce any parts if they are made from metal. Furthermore, if the US government approaches the original manufacturers for parts and suggests that they will be off the list of contenders for new equipment unless they can provide replacement parts, do you really think that they will give their biggest customer the middle finger? I don't think so.
    Ummm...you aren't getting this, are you? No one is saying that we cannot get the parts; we DO NOT HAVE THE PARTS, (etal) because our last POTUS was a democrat, and , he like every democrat in the past 40 years, has CUT THE DEPT. of DEFENSE budget to the bone, forcing his republican successor to REBUILD IT, just like Reagan had to; just like GW Bush had to; just like Trump HAS to.

    The left ALWAYS neglects the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    It does seem rather odd then that those obsolete aircraft and naval ships are not junked but sold to other countries that get another 10 to 20 serviceable years out of them. Do they just have better mechanics or could those who really want new toys be dragging their feet on repairs deliberately to make the stats look bad? In government, if you don't make a case for getting rid of something, you'll never get anything new. So if you keep the older planes and ships in really good working order then it's much harder to justify buying new ones.
    That is not really the issue.
    Gentlemen and ladies, I hate inflation, I hate taxes, and I hate Communism. Do something about it.” Ronald Reagan's instructions to his first assembled Cabinet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Millwrights can reproduce any parts if they are made from metal. Furthermore, if the US government approaches the original manufacturers for parts and suggests that they will be off the list of contenders for new equipment unless they can provide replacement parts, do you really think that they will give their biggest customer the middle finger? I don't think so.
    Again, that is only a small part of the problem. Technology advances. Weapons become more lethal. If we deploy a new tank that at the time it is unveiled is faster, stronger, can outrun and outgun every other tank in the world, our enemies and potential enemies are going to do what they can to develop weapons to kill it and neutralize that superiority. Once they develop those weapons, the effectiveness of that tank is greatly diminished. Now, we can keep putting band aids on it to try to counter some of those weapons, but eventually, we will have no choice but to build a better tank (or plane or ship).

    Force modernization is about a whole lot more than just keeping things running.
    Gentlemen and ladies, I hate inflation, I hate taxes, and I hate Communism. Do something about it.” Ronald Reagan's instructions to his first assembled Cabinet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob the Slob View Post
    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...s-arms-bonanza



    We already have more weapons than all nations combined. This is a ploy from Reagan's playbook on making the rich richer. Guarantee ol' Trumper is heavily invested in the MIC.

    Trust me those companies didn't exactly "suffer" under Obama . Who's the world's biggest gun runners? We are. We are.

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