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    Let me know what you think. I just bought a massive tome on the Holy Roman Empire and a book about the Hapsburgs but I wll add it to my next order if it gets a good review.
    Sure. Just watch for me arguing localism.

    Back to your point about constitutions. I think he'd be fine with it provided it came about bottom-up. Neighbors uniting to govern their 'hood, 'hoods uniting to govern larger areas...until you reach something like states and nation under a constitution of limited powers, limited because authority came from the botton-up. Not sure he would but I would argue such a governing structure fluid and reorganizing as needed and revising constitutions bottom-up constituting an explicit and signed social contract--but I stray from Nispet I suspect.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Sure. Just watch for me arguing localism.

    Back to your point about constitutions. I think he'd be fine with it provided it came about bottom-up. Neighbors uniting to govern their 'hood, 'hoods uniting to govern larger areas...until you reach something like states and nation under a constitution of limited powers, limited because authority came from the botton-up. Not sure he would but I would argue such a governing structure fluid and reorganizing as needed and revising constitutions bottom-up constituting an explicit and signed social contract--but I stray from Nispet I suspect.
    Localism is a traditional conservative palliative.

    I can't say one way or the other because I'm not familiar with his thought but where his name came up leads me to suspect he has views similar to conservative traditionalists when it comes to constitutions. I could certainly be wrong. What I mean , or I should say what they mean, is that if a constitution is written it's a good indication that it has lost its moral force and foundation in custom and tradition.

    Think about it historically. Men have always known what they had a right to expect without it being written down. Writing it down does not give it the force it lives on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Localism is a traditional conservative palliative.

    I can't say one way or the other because I'm not familiar with his thought but where his name came up leads me to suspect he has views similar to conservative traditionalists when it comes to constitutions. I could certainly be wrong. What I mean , or I should say what they mean, is that if a constitution is written it's a good indication that it has lost its moral force and foundation in custom and tradition.

    Think about it historically. Men have always known what they had a right to expect without it being written down. Writing it down does not give it the force it lives on.

    That I think capture the difference between authority and power.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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