Many Liberals Reject the Idea of America

[Chris]

From Wikipedia:



The natural law, properly understood, does not favor one sex over the other. And while it is true that certain proponents of the natural law applied the theory inconsistently, that is not a problem with the theory per se.

By and before natural law we're all created equal.

[Ethereal]

Then what are the natural rights?

Life and liberty.

Wouldn't international law be the closest thing to the realization of natural law/rights?

That would depend both on the substance of the law and the manner of its adoption.

[Chris]

They have far more in common with Marx and communist ideology.

Man-made and designed artificial law.

[Chris]

Natural rights are derived from natural law. That's what Locke and Jefferson and others were all about even though natural rights goes back further that even Occam.

[Ethereal]

Natural rights are derived from natural law. That's what Locke and Jefferson and others were all about even though natural rights goes back further that even Occam.

And natural law is the spirit of American positive laws. Without it, American positive laws sit atop intellectual and moral quicksand.

[Kacper]

Life and liberty.

So illegal aliens are free to come here whenever they want considering their natural right to liberty?

[Ethereal]

So illegal aliens are free to come here whenever they want considering their natural right to liberty?

Generally speaking, yes.

[Ethereal]

ANTECEDENT to the above-mentioned laws are those of nature; so called because they derive their force entirely from our frame and existence. In order to have a perfect knowledge of these laws, we must consider man before the establishment of society; the laws received in such a state would be those of nature.
--Montesquieu, The Spirit of Laws

[Chris]

And natural law is the spirit of American positive laws. Without it, American positive laws sit atop intellectual and moral quicksand.

Yes, it certainly should be the case.

Liberals reject that. Positive law is self-justfying. No need to appeal to natural moral law.

[Chris]

So illegal aliens are free to come here whenever they want considering their natural right to liberty?

Right, but in a natural law state immigrants would have to ask permission to enter, even to cross, my property.