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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Perhaps but the compactness test the GOP argues is how it should be done just feeds into the racism thing because the south is still such a racially stratified community.
    Not true at all. The South is BY FAR, the most integrated region of the United States. BY FAR. Nowhere else even close. Blacks and whites have been living side by side for about 60+ years there...a few generations...

    Compact districts are NOT gerrymandered...they are efficient. Combining areas not really near each other, is gerrymandering.


    This is what TRULY, AGGREGIOUSLY GERRYMANDERED districts look like:

    Maryland's 3rd district ( democrat rep.)

    maryland 3rd dictrict gerrymandered.jpg

    Texas 33rd district (democrat rep. )
    texas 33rd district gerrymandered.jpg

    Pennsylvania's 7th district (GOP rep.)

    Pennsylvania_US_Congressional_District_7_(since_2013)_tif.jpg




    See... NOTHING in N.Carolina even remotely resembles these.

    The Fraudocrats are trying to use their hand-selected judges to hand them the election...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    Not true at all. The South is BY FAR, the most integrated region of the United States. BY FAR. Nowhere else even close. Blacks and whites have been living side by side for about 60+ years there...a few generations...

    Compact districts are NOT gerrymandered...they are efficient. Combining areas not really near each other, is gerrymandering.
    Perhaps you should dig a little deeper. This lawsuit was brought by the NAACP because most blacks were compacted into 3 congressional districts. They are only "efficient" to the extent that they insure republicans more seats in NC congressional delegation in the view of the NAACP and the three judge federal panel. That said, I do not legally see how it matters now that the enforcement provisions of the VRA is history. It is a political question and the courts really have no business intervening as nobody is being disenfranchised as long as they still get the right to vote. There is no right to win and there is no right of political parties under the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Perhaps you should dig a little deeper. This lawsuit was brought by the NAACP because most blacks were compacted into 3 congressional districts. They are only "efficient" to the extent that they insure republicans more seats in NC congressional delegation in the view of the NAACP and the three judge federal panel. That said, I do not legally see how it matters now that the enforcement provisions of the VRA is history. It is a political question and the courts really have no business intervening as nobody is being disenfranchised as long as they still get the right to vote. There is no right to win and there is no right of political parties under the Constitution.
    If they are being accurately represented geographically, without weirded out, twisted extrapolations like those illustrated in the above post, ( # 21 ), then they have no argument.

    They are arguing FOR GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTS, not against them...on racial grounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    If they are being accurately represented geographically, without weirded out, twisted extrapolations like those illustrated in the above post, ( # 21 ), then they have no argument.

    They are arguing FOR GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTS, not against them...on racial grounds.
    For or against is a matter of perspective. The lines have to be drawn somewhere. In NC it is "compactness" in Virginia it is "urban vs. rural". You certainly cannot argue that Virginia's 5th District is designed the way it is because of the love of "compactness" by the GOP. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...013%29.tif.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    For or against is a matter of perspective. The lines have to be drawn somewhere. In NC it is "compactness" in Virginia it is "urban vs. rural". You certainly cannot argue that Virginia's 5th District is designed the way it is because of the love of "compactness" by the GOP. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._2013).tif.png
    Yeah, continuous with no twisting and turning to form them; LOOK AT THE ILLUSTRATIONS I PROVIDED. No "opinion" about it...RACE cannot be a consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    Perhaps you should dig a little deeper. This lawsuit was brought by the NAACP because most blacks were compacted into 3 congressional districts. They are only "efficient" to the extent that they insure republicans more seats in NC congressional delegation in the view of the NAACP and the three judge federal panel. That said, I do not legally see how it matters now that the enforcement provisions of the VRA is history. It is a political question and the courts really have no business intervening as nobody is being disenfranchised as long as they still get the right to vote. There is no right to win and there is no right of political parties under the Constitution.

    The lawsuit was based off partisan gerrymandering, not racial gerrymandering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The lawsuit was based off partisan gerrymandering, not racial gerrymandering.
    And an examination of the actual districting gives lie to that claim....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The lawsuit was based off partisan gerrymandering, not racial gerrymandering.
    http://www.newsobserver.com/news/pol...161495058.html


    "...The requests were included in documents filed in federal court this week outlining the NAACP’s interest in supporting the voters whose lawsuit led to the finding that 28 of the 170 North Carolina legislative districts are illegal racial gerrymanders."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    http://www.newsobserver.com/news/pol...161495058.html


    "...The requests were included in documents filed in federal court this week outlining the NAACP’s interest in supporting the voters whose lawsuit led to the finding that 28 of the 170 North Carolina legislative districts are illegal racial gerrymanders."
    If they are not radically altered geographically... they have no claim. The districts look quite legit. Once again, please LOOK AT THE MAP, ,and tell me which of those districts looks "gerrymandered".



    North Carolina DOES NOT HAVE 170 US Congressional districts. They have 13.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    Yeah, continuous with no twisting and turning to form them; LOOK AT THE ILLUSTRATIONS I PROVIDED. No "opinion" about it...RACE cannot be a consideration.
    Why should I when you did not look at mine, not to mention that you totally ignored how it blows "compactness" out of the water. Virginia's 5th almost divides the state in half to pack enough good people in it to insure a GOP rep gets the seat by neutralizing the two left leaning cities in that district. Your "no twisting and turning" equally is not true because right between those two left leaning cities is Jerry Falwell's Utopia that the lines curve around to make sure it can be used to offset them damn liberals in Roanoke and Harrisonburg in the 6th district. Lord forbid a compact district put Harrisonburg and Charlottesville in the same CD cause the GOP would never win it again.

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