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    Screw the Honeybee!!!!

    Well, figuratively...sort of. Here is a long article discussing why society is a bit turned around backwards on the whole "Save The Honeybee" movement, so I am cutting and pasting the part that I think sums it up nicely. I have gotten into many fights with people about this issue. our honeybees aren't even native to the US and mother nature did a smashing job with the place before the european bees arrived.

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/article...inst-honeybees

    "Looked at head-on, these problems are not so much a result of the honeybees’ decline as a symptom of their ascendance. Without a stackable, shippable, one-size-fits-all pollinator, we would need to work around native bugs’ needs. We would have had to leave them some diverse, livable habitat, in and among the identical rows of crops. The honeybee has lent us “the unfortunate capacity—in the short term—to do without little fringes of nature,” says Hirsh. “Without the honeybee industrial complex, you would have to keep those bits around.” We used the bees to build a flawed system, and now that they’re collapsing, it is, too. We don’t have to save the honeybee—we have to save our land from honeybee dependence."

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    That is the first time I have heard that point of view. Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    That is the first time I have heard that point of view. Interesting.
    The thing that gets my dander up is when people say things like, "Oh it is ok to kill other bees, wasps, hornets, and yellow jackets, but don't kill honeybees because we need them!!!!" We don't need honeybees. My garden does great with bumblebees and other insects pollinating the plants. Our honeybees are barely around most of the growing season. They usually come out early and then disappear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    The thing that gets my dander up is when people say things like, "Oh it is ok to kill other bees, wasps, hornets, and yellow jackets, but don't kill honeybees because we need them!!!!" We don't need honeybees. My garden does great with bumblebees and other insects pollinating the plants. Our honeybees are barely around most of the growing season. They usually come out early and then disappear.
    From what I have heard about honey bees is that bee keepers have the most and they get hired to drive their hives to an area to use the bees for pollination. Then they move on.

    Anyway, so far as the colony collapse thing goes, it is very easy to breed more. They won't go extinct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    The thing that gets my dander up is when people say things like, "Oh it is ok to kill other bees, wasps, hornets, and yellow jackets, but don't kill honeybees because we need them!!!!" We don't need honeybees. My garden does great with bumblebees and other insects pollinating the plants. Our honeybees are barely around most of the growing season. They usually come out early and then disappear.
    Bumblebees are the coolest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Bumblebees are the coolest.
    I do like them, especially when I see them moving from blossom to blossom in my garden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    From what I have heard about honey bees is that bee keepers have the most and they get hired to drive their hives to an area to use the bees for pollination. Then they move on.

    Anyway, so far as the colony collapse thing goes, it is very easy to breed more. They won't go extinct.
    There is a russian version that does quite well against some of the things killing off the european version but there is a ban on importing them for some reason last I heard. I know people who have tried doing their own beekeeping and their hives either die or flee as well. They are essentially illegal in my city though because of the way the zoning law about them is written to make them theoretically legal but most people do not have enough land in the right configuration as they have to be at least 500 feet from any structure in every direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    There is a russian version that does quite well against some of the things killing off the european version but there is a ban on importing them for some reason last I heard.
    Isn't it obvious? The Russian bees are working for Putin.
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