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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    ANC is conservative.
    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

    Well, if you think Nazi Germany was Right Wing, I can certainly understand your confusion

    The ANC deems itself a force of national liberation in the post-apartheid era; it officially defines its agenda as the National Democratic Revolution. The ANC is a member of the Socialist International.[2] It also sets forth the redressing of socio-economic differences stemming from colonial- and apartheid-era policies as a central focus of ANC policy.
    The National Democratic Revolution (NDR) is described as a process through which the National Democratic Society (NDS) is achieved; a society in which people are intellectually, socially, economically and politically empowered. The drivers of the NDR are also called the motive forces and are defined as the elements within society that gain from the success of the NDR. Using contour plots or concentric circles the centre represents the elements in society that gain the most out of the success of the NDR. Moving away from the centre results in the reduction of the gains that those elements derive. It is generally believed that the force that occupies the centre of those concentric circles in countries with low unemployment is the working class while in countries with higher levels of unemployment it is the unemployed. Some of the many theoreticians that have written about the NDR include Joe Slovo, Joel Netshitenzhe and Tshilidzi Marwala.[12][13][14]
    In 2004 the ANC declared itself to be a social democratic party.[15]
    The 53rd National Conference of the ANC, held in 2015, stated in its "Discussion Document" that "China economic development trajectory remains a leading example of the triumph of humanity over adversity. The exemplary role of the collective leadership of the Communist Party of China in this regard should be a guiding lodestar of our own struggle."[16] It went on to state that "The collapse of the Berlin Wall and socialism in the Soviet Union and Eastern European States influenced our transition towards the negotiated political settlement in our country. The cause of events in the world changed tremendously in favour of the US led imperialism."[17]
    Tripartite Alliance[edit]

    Main article: Tripartite Alliance
    The ANC holds a historic alliance with the South African Communist Party (SACP) and Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU), known as the Tripartite Alliance. The SACP and COSATU have not contested any election in South Africa, but field candidates through the ANC, hold senior positions in the ANC, and influence party policy and dialogue. During Mbeki's presidency, the government took a more pro-capitalist stance, often running counter to the demands of the SACP and COSATU.[18][19][20][21]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    ANC is conservative.
    Where do you get this stuff?
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

    Well, if you think Nazi Germany was Right Wing, I can certainly understand your confusion

    The ANC deems itself a force of national liberation in the post-apartheid era; it officially defines its agenda as the National Democratic Revolution. The ANC is a member of the Socialist International.[2] It also sets forth the redressing of socio-economic differences stemming from colonial- and apartheid-era policies as a central focus of ANC policy.
    The National Democratic Revolution (NDR) is described as a process through which the National Democratic Society (NDS) is achieved; a society in which people are intellectually, socially, economically and politically empowered. The drivers of the NDR are also called the motive forces and are defined as the elements within society that gain from the success of the NDR. Using contour plots or concentric circles the centre represents the elements in society that gain the most out of the success of the NDR. Moving away from the centre results in the reduction of the gains that those elements derive. It is generally believed that the force that occupies the centre of those concentric circles in countries with low unemployment is the working class while in countries with higher levels of unemployment it is the unemployed. Some of the many theoreticians that have written about the NDR include Joe Slovo, Joel Netshitenzhe and Tshilidzi Marwala.[12][13][14]
    In 2004 the ANC declared itself to be a social democratic party.[15]
    The 53rd National Conference of the ANC, held in 2015, stated in its "Discussion Document" that "China economic development trajectory remains a leading example of the triumph of humanity over adversity. The exemplary role of the collective leadership of the Communist Party of China in this regard should be a guiding lodestar of our own struggle."[16] It went on to state that "The collapse of the Berlin Wall and socialism in the Soviet Union and Eastern European States influenced our transition towards the negotiated political settlement in our country. The cause of events in the world changed tremendously in favour of the US led imperialism."[17]
    Tripartite Alliance[edit]

    Main article: Tripartite Alliance
    The ANC holds a historic alliance with the South African Communist Party (SACP) and Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU), known as the Tripartite Alliance. The SACP and COSATU have not contested any election in South Africa, but field candidates through the ANC, hold senior positions in the ANC, and influence party policy and dialogue. During Mbeki's presidency, the government took a more pro-capitalist stance, often running counter to the demands of the SACP and COSATU.[18][19][20][21]
    Politics, as usual, isn't black or white (no pun). It's all relative. They say socialist and they had some leanings that way in the beginning but they really aren't. Other parties that are actually socialist have split off from them because of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Politics, as usual, isn't black or white (no pun). It's all relative. They say socialist and they had some leanings that way in the beginning but they really aren't. Other parties that are actually socialist have split off from them because of that.
    The ANC began as an independence movement and maintained strong ties to the communist party and the trade unions. Yeah, conservative.
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    If the ANC were truly conservative and free market oriented Cape Town wouldn't be having an issue with its water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    If the ANC were truly conservative and free market oriented Cape Town wouldn't be having an issue with its water.
    If it was conservative it wouldn't have fought apartheid or maintained close ties to communist parties and trade unions.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Cape Town faces Day Zero: what happens when the city turns off the taps?

    No sure why they didn't invest in desalination plants. They are going to have riots on their hands when the water is shut off.

    I wonder if they are like Colorado was until recently? Citizens could not collect rainwater but Coors could send millions of gallons of ground water ( no it doesn't come from the TV river) out of the water shed

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    I wonder if they are like Colorado was until recently? Citizens could not collect rainwater but Coors could send millions of gallons of ground water ( no it doesn't come from the TV river) out of the water shed
    It has got to have something to do with the US and large corporations if you're donttread. A man's got to know his limitations and donttread, you and I certainly know yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Certainly the middle class will. Perhaps the lower class won't if they can pull off their plan to have a water distribution site within every 200 meters of everyone- something I think is not possible. But for the poor it could be two miles. They would suck it up.

    Can wells be drilled by home owners and landlords to alliviate some of the proble. Sometimes ground water can handle droughts

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Can wells be drilled by home owners and landlords to alliviate some of the proble. Sometimes ground water can handle droughts
    Theoretically. But I assume in Cape Town only wealthy people have land that they can drill on. If you live in an apartment block, where are you going to drill?
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