War Drums - NK

[Ransom]

China is not the least bit intimidated by Trump, and they will never allow themselves to be bullied by the USA. We are decadent and soft, whereas they are emerging from decades of wretched oppression and poverty. They have far more tolerance for misery than we do.

I'll take issue with that, I think the Chinese Premier would choke himself hysterical with laughter and misery when reading your posts when we Americans are force fed your funnies daily and handle it quite well. So you're wrong again.

[Ransom]

Any war in North Korea would be a comprehensive disaster for everyone involved and would completely derail Trump's presidency, just like the disastrous war in Iraq derailed Bush's presidency. All Trump's focus on immigration, healthcare, regulatory reform, tax reform, infrastructure, etc. would be replaced by a major wartime presidency. And of course it would require gigantic amounts of new spending and possibly higher taxes, certainly much more debt. Every major war in US history has been accompanied by a massive growth in government power and size that never returns to its prewar levels. And in the chaos of war, the neocons, who opposed Trump at every step, will seize on the opportunity to rise back to power and resume their mad strategy of world conquest.

There is going to be an American President whether or not you believe so that must confront North Korea. This maniac already has been permitted to develop nuclear weapons, should a Clinton or Bush I put an end to his nuclear program it might have spelled trouble for their Presidencies.....but would result in the US and Pacific Rim being much more secure, we might even have seen a one Korea by now.

Short sighted Ethereal, but you're coming along. Albeit....slowly.

[MisterVeritis]

Any war in North Korea would be a comprehensive disaster for everyone involved and would completely derail Trump's presidency, just like the disastrous war in Iraq derailed Bush's presidency. All Trump's focus on immigration, healthcare, regulatory reform, tax reform, infrastructure, etc. would be replaced by a major wartime presidency. And of course it would require gigantic amounts of new spending and possibly higher taxes, certainly much more debt. Every major war in US history has been accompanied by a massive growth in government power and size that never returns to its prewar levels. And in the chaos of war, the neocons, who opposed Trump at every step, will seize on the opportunity to rise back to power and resume their mad strategy of world conquest.

Okay.

Do you believe war with North Korea will be optional? You imply it.

[texan]

See my thread about China moving 300,000 troops closer to North Korea.

On phone so didn’t read every post past this one. I would guess hey do this in case a scirmish breaks out to stop refuges. That is their biggest concern it seems.

[Kacper]

The time to act was 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago. Clinton's SecDef is all "The time to act is now!!!" The time to act was when his boss struck a deal with NK that they never honored. Anyway, I suspect Trump will do what everybody else has done and kick the can down the road. The only thing that gives me comfort is that NK shoots its rockets more or less straight up letting them come down on the far side of Japan. There is no evidence yet that they have a real guidance capability with them.

[Captdon]

China is not the least bit intimidated by Trump, and they will never allow themselves to be bullied by the USA. We are decadent and soft, whereas they are emerging from decades of wretched oppression and poverty. They have far more tolerance for misery than we do.

He's talking about NK.

[Ransom]

The time to act was 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago. Clinton's SecDef is all "The time to act is now!!!" The time to act was when his boss struck a deal with NK that they never honored. Anyway, I suspect Trump will do what everybody else has done and kick the can down the road. The only thing that gives me comfort is that NK shoots its rockets more or less straight up letting them come down on the far side of Japan. There is no evidence yet that they have a real guidance capability with them.

That is true, telemetry their issue. Trump I cannot see kicking the can down the road, doing so is why the Chinese feel they have to make no changes. Perhaps China is awakening though.......they might be coming to realize that either they're going to have to take handle the Kim regime...or we will.

[Kacper]

That is true, telemetry their issue. Trump I cannot see kicking the can down the road, doing so is why the Chinese feel they have to make no changes. Perhaps China is awakening though.......they might be coming to realize that either they're going to have to take handle the Kim regime...or we will.

To me, depending on China is kicking the can down the road. Blow a crater in their facilities. It is the only solution.

[Peter1469]

Readers are encouraged to review these last few years of Peter's "I would say", the blown analyses, wrong calls, 180 wrongs, and just pure naivety....it's sheer entertainment but given his claims of knowledge...a little sad too.

Except most here think Neocons have made too many wrong moves since 9-11.

[Peter1469]

The time to act was 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago. Clinton's SecDef is all "The time to act is now!!!" The time to act was when his boss struck a deal with NK that they never honored. Anyway, I suspect Trump will do what everybody else has done and kick the can down the road. The only thing that gives me comfort is that NK shoots its rockets more or less straight up letting them come down on the far side of Japan. There is no evidence yet that they have a real guidance capability with them.

Guidance isn't important for an EMP attack. And a successful EMP attack would make the nuclear destruction of Los Angeles look like a minor attack.