Faith & Reason Vs. Mush

[pjohns]

I am not racist but... I am not homophobe but... I am not religious but...

Someone once said that "but" is a word that means, "forget everything that I have said up to this point; here comes the real scoop."

And, starting by Christian truth, the rest of the reasonament goes directly to pure faith and no logical or reasonal thinking in the rest of the text. It assumes from the beginning that they have the truth, they are correct. There is no reason there, only faith.

I strongly--strongly--believe in logic; and in all areas of my life. (I do not divide my brain into two different parts: one rational, and the other supra-rational. I have only the former.)

One component of logic is the existence of logical fallacies. And one of these fallacies is known as the a priori fallacy. (Basically, it just means to believe in a doctrine so thoroughly--without any supporting evidence--that one cannot possibly be convinced of the contrary.)

I never wish to be guilty of this--or any other form of logical fallacy.

And as always have been told, faith and reason are incompatible. Because, to have faith, you need to put apart the reason and blindly believe in that, even if the facts prove you wrong. And that is not rational, like the rest of the text.

I totally reject blind faith. Either faith must be based upon reason (as in, I have faith that my car will start tomorrow--as it always has), or else it is meaningless to me.

[Mister D]

What is "blind faith" anyway? It certainly isn't a Christian tradition.

[Chris]

What is "blind faith" anyway? It certainly isn't a Christian tradition.

A defunct British rock'n'roll band.

I don't think anyone who thinks about faith is blind about it. I do wonder about many who lack faith, I mean, to assume because you don't understand faith that your faithless view is thus true is blind.

[Captdon]

As an agnostic atheist I have trouble with the premise, that is, whether we can know God. I think not so choose not have faith but have no argument with anyone who chooses faith, and find that most who choose to believe are completely reasonable from that point.



So how is your choice to not have faith reasonable? --And, no, arguments agaist faith or those with faith do not by default make your lack of faith reasonable.



Doubt is a part of faith, I think.

I have a lot of doubts in my Christianity. Some of it isn't reasonable. but I have faith in a God and I expect my faith will serve well or I wouldn't have it.

I have never worried about someone else having faith. That's not my job or decision. Believe or not believe. I don't care. I'm only responsible for me.

Blind faith is never questioning it. It's not unreasonable although I have never had it. If you have enough faith there is nothing to question. People who have no faith would not understand that. Some people with faith don't understand it. I don't claim to understand it myself but I accept it because I've seen it.

[pjohns]

What is "blind faith" anyway?

As I understand it, blind faith is an unreasoning faith. It is faith predicated upon...well, nothing substantial. Nothing whatsoever.

My own faith is based upon reason; without which, I would be entirely faithless.

[Captdon]

I am not racist but... I am not homophobe but... I am not religious but...

I usually run away when somebody starts something with that words...

And, starting by Christian truth, the rest of the reasonament goes directly to pure faith and no logical or reasonal thinking in the rest of the text. It assumes from the beginning that they have the truth, they are correct. There is no reason there, only faith. And as always have been told, faith and reason are incompatible. Because, to have faith, you need to put apart the reason and blindly believe in that, even if the facts prove you wrong. And that is not rational, like the rest of the text.

And plus, scepticism looks like that sales manager sees as something bad. Obviously, he is a bishop, his job is sell his product, and his product is religion. And a good part of the text is already addressed to the ones that he has obviously sold its product. With this text is imposssible to win new clients.

Of course faith is unreasonable. If God could be proven or shown to be a reasonable idea everyone would believe. That's not the point of faith. No one needs you to believe; we want you to.

[pjohns]

Of course faith is unreasonable. If God could be proven or shown to be a reasonable idea everyone would believe. That's not the point of faith. No one needs you to believe; we want you to.

If faith were "unreasonable"--i.e. contrary to all reason--what would be the purpose of embracing it? And that goes double for those of us who celebrate The Enlightenment era.

But I simply would not wish to place "faith" in stark contrast to "reason."