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    Understanding the source, this is a pretty good article about Russian interference in US politics.

    Skip to below the first graphic to get to intelligent commentary.

    Part of this response, it seems, stems from a lack of clarity around what “meddling” means in the context of Russia’s electoral activity. It seems to be true that Russia didn’t directly affect vote totals in 2016 — more on this below — but instead interfered or tried to interfere in a number of other ways. It seems clear, too, that this effort is ongoing.

    So let’s take a step back. When we talk about Russian meddling, what are we talking about?
    What were its effects? When did it begin?


    There are at least four ways in which Russians are known or believed to have tried to influence the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    Incorrect. It's a meme as displayed by your comment "US "intelligence", Exhibit A".
    Call it whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact of what it represents: Deliberate dishonesty and fraud coming straight from US "intelligence"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    US national for certain. They'd be smart to try it with state ones too.
    There is only one national election I am aware of. Even that election, the Presidential election, is run by individual states. So which election?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    Found that on a Russian Facebook page?

    Several things wrong with that meme;
    1) The Bush administration took intelligence data and interpreted it. While the whole "Bush lied" meme is a lie itself, the fact remains they seemed to be looking for reasons to invade Iraq.

    2) I have complete faith in the integrity of Powell. He was the largest voice of reason in the Bush administration, but I think Cheney and Rumsfeld beat him down. While I think he believed his testimony to the UN, obviously the entire concept was flawed.

    3) Intelligence failures are out there for all to see, but intelligence successes are rarely known for what should be obvious reasons. Ergo, it's stupid to just assume our intelligence services are incompetent.
    Powell was a hack. He was a political general and well known for it. He had exactly one command in his years in the Army. He was a yes man from day one. No one had to beat him into anything. You don't have to beat putty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Call it whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact of what it represents: Deliberate dishonesty and fraud coming straight from US "intelligence"

    And what other Intelligence agency is all about Honesty and forthrighteousness. Oh yeah.....not one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    There is only one national election I am aware of. Even that election, the Presidential election, is run by individual states. So which election?
    They released e-mails by the Dems. Meddling is meddling. That it works or doesn't means nothing. They have meddled before and will again.

    The truth is we can't stop them without shutting down the internet from other countries. Free speech and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    They released e-mails by the Dems. Meddling is meddling. That it works or doesn't means nothing. They have meddled before and will again.

    The truth is we can't stop them without shutting down the internet from other countries. Free speech and all that.
    Who released emails by the Dems?

    What emails?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Call it whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact of what it represents: Deliberate dishonesty and fraud coming straight from US "intelligence"
    Hence why it's a meme just like I said in the first place.
    "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."
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