The bigots SNAP proposal, retarded and typical

[Scerab]

OK first lets get rid of some of the lies that you are spouting. The tax cuts were across the board, and yes people that make more are going to benefit more, and you can't give tax cuts to people that are not paying taxes, so that is about half of the working population. Add to this all of the bonuses, salary increases, and investment in the USA by business, and only the those totally willing to stick their head in the sand can't use it.

Now if you think that the boxes are humiliating, and degrading, and they would be delivered to their door step,

Stand behind someone using a EBT card and look at the total and complete crap that they are buying for their families. That is why they don't live as long, they are eating $#@!.

So if you can replace that with some hole foods and cut their budgets, I am all for that. And they would be healthier.

As far as humiliation? So what, If you are living off others peoples money, you should feel a little humiliated.

If the indoctrinated red slaves wanted to actually help low and middle income citizens of the united states of lobbyists, then they could have ramped up the earned income tax credit per house hold. Rather then favor the wealthy with these tax breaks. You seem to think that people on SNAP dont work or have no income... more then %80 of SNAP recipients have jobs... the problem is walmart and other republican enterprises that conjured entire career categories where an employee would always be dependent on welfare. But again its easy to be condescending and just shrug off those who are worse off then us, labeling them losers and low lives.
Now delivering food to every SNAP beneficiary seems fiscally retarded. After delivery costs, the recipients will end up with half a can of tomato soup... from what i understood is the government wants to cooperate with local food banks and such to dispense the food and herein lies the problem. Have you ever been to a food bank or a soup kitchen? I volunteer at a local church a couple of times a year and know whats it like.

most oftenly, SNAP beneficiaries are given $90 or less to live off for an entire month... now try living off that for a month as an individual adult... when you go to the supermarket, the cheapest stuff are the government subsidized food stuffs, highly processed sugar foods... that is courtesy of the sugar industry lobbyists of course...so the choice is either get that food variety or starve, and that is a simple choice to make.
If you think that preservative infested canned food is whole and healthy, i can assure you that you will not live long...
regarding your last comment of SNAP beneficiaries living off other peoples money, just Stop. You are doing yourself a great deservice by making such statements. $70 billion a year is nothing to the tax payer. What about all the trillions of TAX DOLLAR subsidies our government gives in TAX breaks to the wealthy? What about the massive bail out the terrible bush, /SPIT, gave to the hundreds billionaires on wallstreet while the citizens of the United States of lobbyists were living on the streets... i guess the murdoch zombies need to rearrange thier priorities...

[Scerab]

Why is the government involved with food choices? If a taker wants to spend her government money on potato chips- why should we care? Her child should be taken from her and put into a foster home that knows what nutrition is.

You racialism is incredibly extreme...
you would seperate a parent from thier biological child just because of potato chips or poor food choices? Well it’s unfortunate that the processed food industry is highly subsidized by our TAX DOLLARS because of their mighty lobbyists... any parent would always choose to feed thier children rather then allow them to go hungry, even if that choice is not ideal.

[zelmo1234]

Why is the government involved with food choices? If a taker wants to spend her government money on potato chips- why should we care? Her child should be taken from her and put into a foster home that knows what nutrition is.

Because it cost more. at first there was only welfare, but they could not make there kids lunch, so we started school lunches, now they can eat 3 times a day as some schools and twice a day at most schools plus we give them their full welfare.

Time to stop the madness.

[zelmo1234]

If the indoctrinated red slaves wanted to actually help low and middle income citizens of the united states of lobbyists, then they could have ramped up the earned income tax credit per house hold. Rather then favor the wealthy with these tax breaks. You seem to think that people on SNAP dont work or have no income... more then %80 of SNAP recipients have jobs... the problem is walmart and other republican enterprises that conjured entire career categories where an employee would always be dependent on welfare. But again its easy to be condescending and just shrug off those who are worse off then us, labeling them losers and low lives.
Now delivering food to every SNAP beneficiary seems fiscally retarded. After delivery costs, the recipients will end up with half a can of tomato soup... from what i understood is the government wants to cooperate with local food banks and such to dispense the food and herein lies the problem. Have you ever been to a food bank or a soup kitchen? I volunteer at a local church a couple of times a year and know whats it like.

most oftenly, SNAP beneficiaries are given $90 or less to live off for an entire month... now try living off that for a month as an individual adult... when you go to the supermarket, the cheapest stuff are the government subsidized food stuffs, highly processed sugar foods... that is courtesy of the sugar industry lobbyists of course...so the choice is either get that food variety or starve, and that is a simple choice to make.
If you think that preservative infested canned food is whole and healthy, i can assure you that you will not live long...
regarding your last comment of SNAP beneficiaries living off other peoples money, just Stop. You are doing yourself a great deservice by making such statements. $70 billion a year is nothing to the tax payer. What about all the trillions of TAX DOLLAR subsidies our government gives in TAX breaks to the wealthy? What about the massive bail out the terrible bush, /SPIT, gave to the hundreds billionaires on wallstreet while the citizens of the United States of lobbyists were living on the streets... i guess the murdoch zombies need to rearrange thier priorities...

Well the good news is that of the 80% that are working many got a raise or a bonus and the ones working at Wal Mart will likely no longer qualify because a 3 dollar an hour raise really helps out.

Not taking someone money leaves a lot more of it in the economy, there last few weeks should have proven that to you. Now lets talk about the tax breaks that are only for the wealthy? What are they.

The truth of the matter is that 85% of federal income taxes are paid by the top 1% And 50% of the people don't pat taxes.

Now the earned income tax credit? what is that. Well it is Welfare, because it is giving people a refund that did not pay anything into the system NO I am not for that.

And I do know food banks well we try and donate anything we can from the restaurant so we don't have to waste it. In my area this time of year they are stuffed with healthy Venison that hunters donate. not to mention fruit as well as canned goods a lot better than the processed microwave foods that many live on.

It is clear that you seem to believe that just because someone else earned a lot of money that you can't, congrats you are a victim of the public education system and think just as the democrats want you too.

the truth is, you are responsible for your lot in life, and nobody else

[zelmo1234]

You racialism is incredibly extreme...
you would seperate a parent from thier biological child just because of potato chips or poor food choices? Well it’s unfortunate that the processed food industry is highly subsidized by our TAX DOLLARS because of their mighty lobbyists... any parent would always choose to feed thier children rather then allow them to go hungry, even if that choice is not ideal.

You are exactly correct and that is why sending the a weekly box of whole foods is so much better. Sure there has to be a from filled out so you can see if there are allergies ect. but as you stated nobody wants to feed their children bad food so why not support the change that will allow them a much healthier option. And for those that just choose to be lazy, they will not really have a choice.

[Scerab]

Because it cost more. at first there was only welfare, but they could not make there kids lunch, so we started school lunches, now they can eat 3 times a day as some schools and twice a day at most schools plus we give them their full welfare.

Time to stop the madness.

Well the good news is that of the 80% that are working many got a raise or a bonus and the ones working at Wal Mart will likely no longer qualify because a 3 dollar an hour raise really helps out.

Not taking someone money leaves a lot more of it in the economy, there last few weeks should have proven that to you. Now lets talk about the tax breaks that are only for the wealthy? What are they.

The truth of the matter is that 85% of federal income taxes are paid by the top 1% And 50% of the people don't pat taxes.

Now the earned income tax credit? what is that. Well it is Welfare, because it is giving people a refund that did not pay anything into the system NO I am not for that.

And I do know food banks well we try and donate anything we can from the restaurant so we don't have to waste it. In my area this time of year they are stuffed with healthy Venison that hunters donate. not to mention fruit as well as canned goods a lot better than the processed microwave foods that many live on.

It is clear that you seem to believe that just because someone else earned a lot of money that you can't, congrats you are a victim of the public education system and think just as the democrats want you too.

the truth is, you are responsible for your lot in life, and nobody else
You are exactly correct and that is why sending the a weekly box of whole foods is so much better. Sure there has to be a from filled out so you can see if there are allergies ect. but as you stated nobody wants to feed their children bad food so why not support the change that will allow them a much healthier option. And for those that just choose to be lazy, they will not really have a choice.

You seem to avoid answering the very important point that i keep bringing up. Whats 70 billion dollars to the hundreds of billions if not trillions of TAX DOLLAR breaks the United states of lobbyists gives to the billionaires and thier ilk? Or is it ok to give money to the powerful because they can afford representation via lobbyists and its grotesque to give it to the poor because they cannot? Answer me...
i am in California, the United States of Lobbyists most populous state, and there is an increase in wages of half a dollar for minimum wage earners only... nothing else. Maybe in the red state your in, they were giving people the slave federal minimum wage and now its going up, thats great... but still these people will need welfare. Walmart and its ilk intentionally stops these workers from working full time and keeps them at the maximum part time hour/week limit. This deprives those unfortunate workers of any workplace benefits... you think $10-$11 /hour, 35 hours a week, is enough to rent, buy health insurance and eat? Maybe in mexico but not any where i know in the United States of lobbyists...
the high income earners pay taxes relevant to how much they use our infrastructure and our system. If it was not for either of those things, those rich people would not have been rich...
you dont know anything about earned income tax credit or EITC, only those with income qualify... and the more you make, up to a certain amount, the more you get back with a maximum... so you can correct your delusions about the EITC, which is one of the best anti poverty measures, and is bipartisan, the united states of lobbyists has implemented... i dont know where you live, but sure sounds like a great place... $3 raises and venison at food banks? Last time I volunteered, there was nothing but old cans of food, beans, beans and more beans...
i am not denying the fact that some billionaires have earned thier wealth but most of them did so with some chicanery... look at the amazon CEO, he did not pay or charge sales taxes which gave him an edge with his competitors... many other billionaires, like our bigot-in-chief have played on the tax system to avoid paying taxes...
again you talk about being lazy... this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, simply because most SNAP beneficiaries are hard working citizens of the United States of lobbyists... and again, a box of preservative infested canned food stuffs and milk is NOT whole food nor is it healthy food... all of this proposal is to cut the SNAP budget, while giving trillions of TAX dollars to the billionaires...

[Captdon]

Give them cash. If they don't buy food take their kids. And let them live with their choices. This plan to have food boxes will fail like the Soviets failed.

When this thing first started it was called commodities. My grandmother got them because she had no source of income. My mom would replace each item with regular items and feed the stuff to us. That program worked because there was no market for them. My mom traded them out of love for her mom and we ate them out of her love for her mom.

We have surplus of so many foods we should go back to that. It ended because liberals thought it was Degrading for people to know that someone was getting them.

[Bob the Slob]

How is this beneath human dignity? Should I stop donating to the homeless, soup kitchens, and food donation centers because it is beneath the dignity of the recipients? Should the poor starve with dignity instead of getting a box of mac and cheese? I have noticed that the local grocery I frequent only allows WIC folks to buy store brands and not name brand products unless there is no store brand for that product. Are they insulting the poor?

For a party that has been against government interference in your life with regard to guns, why would you support the erosion of that interference by saying it's okay for the government to give the poor the food the government wants them to have?

[Kacper]

For a party that has been against government interference in your life with regard to guns, why would you support the erosion of that interference by saying it's okay for the government to give the poor the food the government wants them to have?

I am not a republican and I have been very outspoken about guns, or more particularly the NRA. I own guns for Pete's sake, but still think that something needs to be done even if that affects my ability to own the guns I currently own. As for these food boxes, SNAP is fraught with fraud and that needs to be addressed. The Democrats have no solution since they refuse to even acknowledge the problem really exists. They also refuse to support changing a single thing about these benefits other than expanding them infinitely to more and more people. I support any effort to try something new. If it doesn't work, the GOP will pay the price. If it does work, hooray we have more money to spend on something else. I am not an ideologue so "government interference" means nothing to me. The government should try to address important social issues be they guns or poverty and that inherently requires "interference".

[Scerab]

I am not a republican and I have been very outspoken about guns, or more particularly the NRA. I own guns for Pete's sake, but still think that something needs to be done even if that affects my ability to own the guns I currently own. As for these food boxes, SNAP is fraught with fraud and that needs to be addressed. The Democrats have no solution since they refuse to even acknowledge the problem really exists. They also refuse to support changing a single thing about these benefits other than expanding them infinitely to more and more people. I support any effort to try something new. If it doesn't work, the GOP will pay the price. If it does work, hooray we have more money to spend on something else. I am not an ideologue so "government interference" means nothing to me. The government should try to address important social issues be they guns or poverty and that inherently requires "interference".

Regarding gun control, its hopless... the NRA has the best network of lobbyist tentacles, which they use to squeeze any politician they so desire. So unless we do somthing about the lobbyist issue, nothing will be done about gun control, income inequality, or food insecurity among the citizens of the united states of lobbyists...
As for the imperfections of the SNAP program, they are outweighed significantly by the benefits and
efficiency of that program. I do support drug screening. In my opinion, if your on illicit drugs, you forfeit yours rights to welfare. There is income verifcation, every 6 months for the SNAP program. But all in all, no one has addressed my first question. What is 70 billion dollars to the hundrends of billions if not trillions of dollars the billionaires get in TAX DOLLAR breaks and subsidies? Or is the SNAP program up for debate because the billionaires can afford representation while the poor citizens of the united states of lobbyists can not... you know what i think? We, the citizens, are the least people who are represented by our government... in fact i think the interests of israel and Saudi Arabia are better represented then ours...