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    It's the Meds

    These school shooters all have one thing in common. They are on dangerous prescription drugs that can cause suicidal ideations and homicidal behavior.

    Fact: A disturbing number of perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on – or just recently coming off of – psychiatric medications. A few of the most high-profile examples, out of many others, include:
    • Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves. Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s one in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.
    • Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
    • Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Oregon, and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
    • In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Illinois, killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.
    • In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.
    • In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.
    • In another famous case, 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.
    • Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: “I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said. “This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”
    • John Hinckley, age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.
    • Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified: “She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: “What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” – murderous thoughts – as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug. Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.
    • One more case is instructive, that of 12-year-old Christopher Pittman, who struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he’d ever known in his turbulent life. “When I was lying in my bed that night,” he testified, “I couldn’t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.” Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept and then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them. “I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,” he recalled. “Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can’t do anything to stop it.” Pittman’s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of “involuntary intoxication,” since his doctors had him taking the antidepressants Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders.
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    2 things in common (if your post is accurate).

    They all had easy access to items that allowed them to kill and injure many people in a short period of time. Without that access casualties would have been much lighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    2 things in common (if your post is accurate).


    They all had easy access to items that allowed them to kill and injure many people in a short period of time. Without that access casualties would have been much lighter.
    These prescription drugs for mental illness have black box warnings on them. They can cause homicidal reactions and suicide reactions.

    It isn't the guns. It is mental illness and the way we treat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    These prescription drugs for mental illness have black box warnings on them. They can cause homicidal reactions and suicide reactions.

    It isn't the guns. It is mental illness and the way we treat it.
    They all had easy access to items that allowed them to kill and injure many people in a short period of time. Without that access casualties would have been much lighter.
    People who think a movie about plastic dolls is trying to turn their kids gay or trans are now officially known as

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    They all had easy access to items that allowed them to kill and injure many people in a short period of time. Without that access casualties would have been much lighter.
    You are still putting poison into their system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    You are still putting poison into their system.
    Me? No.

    However the fact remains that they all had easy access to items that allowed them to kill and injure many people in a short period of time. Without that access casualties would have been much lighter.
    People who think a movie about plastic dolls is trying to turn their kids gay or trans are now officially known as

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Me? No.

    However the fact remains that they all had easy access to items that allowed them to kill and injure many people in a short period of time. Without that access casualties would have been much lighter.
    Its the meds. Stop shoving this pills down kids mouths and this problem goes away.

    Your focus on guns is misplaced. And useless, since Americans are not going to give up their guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Its the meds. Stop shoving this pills down kids mouths and this problem goes away.

    Your focus on guns is misplaced. And useless, since Americans are not going to give up their guns.
    Does it occur to you that they were probably on the meds because they already had problems? Nobody puts kids on meds to give them problems. It is more likley that the meds failed to stop their behaviors rather than causing them.

    And there is still the fact that they all had easy access to items that allowed them to kill and injure many people in a short period of time. Without that access casualties would have been much lighter.
    People who think a movie about plastic dolls is trying to turn their kids gay or trans are now officially known as

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    They all had easy access to items that allowed them to kill and injure many people in a short period of time. Without that access casualties would have been much lighter.
    You have the same easy access. Why aren't you out there shooting up people?
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    I agree it's mainly a mental health issue, be it existing problems or those induced by medication.

    The concern is still constitutional: Disarming 'Individuals With Mental Illness' Would Affect a Quarter of the Population

    "How do we make sure that individuals with mental illness do not touch a gun?" Florida Gov. Rick Scott asked yesterday, responding to the shooting that killed 17 people at a Broward County high school on Wednesday. The question, reminiscent of NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre's demand for "an active national database of the mentally ill" after the Sandy Hook massacre in 2012, is woefully misbegotten, casting an unmanageably wide net into the wrong ocean.

    Survey data indicate that half of all Americans will qualify for a psychiatric diagnosis at some point in their lives, while a quarter of them do in any given year. Does Rick Scott or Wayne LaPierre think the government should strip 160 million people, or even just 80 million, of their Second Amendment rights because their mental illnesses might predispose them to commit mass murder?

    Federal law currently stops far short of disarming all "individuals with mental illness," disqualifying from gun ownership only those who have undergone forcible psychiatric treatment, which is supposed to be based on a legal finding that they pose a danger to themselves or others. That rule is already unreasonably broad, since it means that someone who poses no threat to other people—someone who, say, is committed for treatment because his relatives think he might be suicidal—is not allowed to exercise his constitutional right to armed self-defense, even decades later. Yet the rule was not broad enough to stop Nikolas Cruz, the man charged with carrying out the attack on the Florida high school, from legally purchasing the rifle he used.

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