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    Where Is the Democratic Outrage Over Spying On Americans?​

    By Thomas J. Farnan
    February 17, 2018

    Under the Constitution, there are three branches of government. The FBI is not one of them. Instead, the FBI was created to assist the president in his job to enforce laws. Members of the FBI are called “agents” because of their agency relationship with the president.
    During World War II and then the Red Scare, the FBI's mission expanded to gather intelligence against spies. Here, too, the FBI was assisting the Commander in Chief. Even the word “intelligence” connotes this fact. The purpose was to help the president act intelligently against domestic threats.
    The FBI’s domestic intelligence gathering function caused understandable discomfort on the left. In 1970's apocrypha, President Nixon couldn’t wait to get the goods on undesirables like the Smothers Brothers. Or so we were told by the Smothers Brothers, back when the FBI's mission creep cast it as the Gestapo.
    In response to Nixon’s perceived overreach, liberal Idaho (before those words were an oxymoron) Senator Frank Church set up a commission to investigate domestic surveillance abuses. Technology, by then, permitted federal agencies to capture huge amounts of wire communications without disclosing their eavesdropping to Americans who were being surveilled.
    Senator Church stated his concerns on an episode of Meet the Press:
    “If this government ever became a tyrant, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny [against those who] combine together in resistance to the government.”​
    The result of Senator Church’s work was the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA). It provided that the FBI could not use its technological capacity to secretly gather intelligence against an American without first going to court with credible evidence that the citizen was a spy.
    There were protections.
    The statute required rigorous proof. Each warrant would only last for a specified 90-day term and had to be renewed based on the same demanding standard under which it was first granted.
    ~snip~
    Perhaps the most amazing thing about this story is the lack of outrage. The great conceit of the left is that they are willing to stand for principle even on behalf of unpopular actors. Here, they have thrown principle out the window because they don't like Trump. That's messed up.
    In the name of Frank Church, in the name of liberal Idaho, in the name of the Smothers Brothers, the country needs your outrage over this, Democrats.

    Source: https://townhall.com/columnists/tho...tic-outrage-over-spying-on-americans-n2450480
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    This is a good article as far as it goes. Now we have Mueller who just indicted 12 bottles of Russian dressing and a ham sandwich for trolling. Previously he indicted Manafort for some old infraction, Papadopolus for "lying" where Papadopolus said some Russian was a "nothing" and didn't remember the date that he met some other Russian. And then of course Gen. Mike Flynn who served his country well for 35 years faithfully.
    The Democrat party of Frank Church, Sam Nunn, and JFK, are long gone. The Party has been radicalized and taken over by outright Marxists. It's why the CPUSA now openly supports Democrats rather than bothering to run Gus Hall clones every four years. Their work is basically done.
    This Russian action has been exposed as a covert act of war. The Russian leader had guilty knowledge. Just as Obama has guilty knowledge for positing that, “We cannot share information fully as it relates to Russia” with the new president.
    The 'Establishment' threw everything but the kitchen sink at Trump. Why? He wasn't 'one of them'! McCain, Graham, McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton and Obama claim they are.
    Donald Trump won enough of the primaries to secure the Republican presidential nomination. The "Deep State", controlled by Obama, began their efforts to prevent any possibility of his victory! 'Collusion' with Russians via Perkins & Coie, Fusion GPS, unlawful surveillance, Clinton operative Robert Creamer sent rent-a-mobs to Trump rallies to discredit Trump and his supporters as 'violent', spending more than a Billion dollars. All to ensure that Hillary would win ... because she was 'one of them' - the Ruling Class!. They failed.
    The morning after the election, efforts began to overturn Trump's electoral victory through 'recounts', failing that, 'flip' state electors to Hillary, failing that, establish the 'Russian Collusion' narrative and appoint and task Robert Mueller to manufacture grounds for impeachment.
    After more than one year all seems to have failed, yet the butt hurt Leftist Elitists will continue to seek any means to bring down the man chosen by the people for the people.
    If we Americans allow these actions of the Progressive Marxist Leftist Democrats to slide, they will do this again in the future. People have to go to jail for their seditious actions and their attempted coup d'etat. We should start at the top and work down. Obama and Hillary should answer the piper and everyone that conspired with them.

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    Most of them don't care.

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    We had a president for 8 yrs that didnt care, even Dem Adam Schiff on the intelligence committee said Obama didnt stop the russian interference in the campaign. The entire russian fiasco was all during Obamas time not trumps.
    LETS GO BRANDON
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    # Democrats are a Disgrace to the Country.

    If none will put them on trial or in jail. Then there is only one answer left. Make their lives miserable and don't let them walk around in public without humiliation and shame. Trigger them to do something stupid. Then we can solve the problem once and for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    # Democrats are a Disgrace to the Country.

    If none will put them on trial or in jail. Then there is only one answer left. Make their lives miserable and don't let them walk around in public without humiliation and shame. Trigger them to do something stupid. Then we can solve the problem once and for all.
    How are you going to make them miserable? Camp out in front of their houses and protest? Follow them around in public and protest? Once they are out of office regardless of political party, they have no authority or power left. It will accomplish nothing.
    God Bless America, God Bless our Military and God Bless the Police who defended the country against the insurgents on January 6, 2021

    Think 3rd party for 2024 folks. Clean up America.

    Once I tell you that we agree to disagree there will be no more discussion between us in the thread so please don't waste your time continuing to argue your points because I will not respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    How are you going to make them miserable? Camp out in front of their houses and protest? Follow them around in public and protest? Once they are out of office regardless of political party, they have no authority or power left. It will accomplish nothing.
    If they did in fact fabricate information to have Trump and His people under surveillance for political reasons

    And I agree that is and IF but there clearly is enough evidence to at least look into it.

    It would be nice if those on the left actually were among us in calling for justice. It does not take camping out, but being able to admit that it is possible that someone on the left did something that was terrible and should be held accountable for those actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    If they did in fact fabricate information to have Trump and His people under surveillance for political reasons

    And I agree that is and IF but there clearly is enough evidence to at least look into it.

    It would be nice if those on the left actually were among us in calling for justice. It does not take camping out, but being able to admit that it is possible that someone on the left did something that was terrible and should be held accountable for those actions.
    My response was to #4; where if no one was put in jail or on trial, we should make their lives miserable?

    That being said, I've always maintained that no one is above the law; now why haven't they been put on trial or in jail? I have no idea; I'm sure if there were grounds to do such, either the House or Senate or the Dept of Justice would have acted by now. Perhaps that would be a good question for McConnell, Ryan or Sessions.
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    God Bless America, God Bless our Military and God Bless the Police who defended the country against the insurgents on January 6, 2021

    Think 3rd party for 2024 folks. Clean up America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    How are you going to make them miserable? Camp out in front of their houses and protest? Follow them around in public and protest? Once they are out of office regardless of political party, they have no authority or power left. It will accomplish nothing.
    Disrespect, mockery, ridicule, humiliation, and shame.....alone, with their family. Wherever they go. Whoever they are with. See how that works.


    Oh and no reason to camp out. You can put up signs in front of their house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Disrespect, mockery, ridicule, humiliation, and shame.....alone, with their family. Wherever they go. Whoever they are with. See how that works.
    And who is going to do that? Conservatives don't do that sort of thing; they have no time since most of them are working. You going to get millennials to go and protest? They are too busy gaming 90% of the time. Maybe you can get some seniors in wheelchairs to protest but you'd better check the heart-lung monitors to make sure they are still alive.

    It's a nice dream but highly unlikely to happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh and no reason to camp out. You can put up signs in front of their house.
    Right; and the signs will be torn down every night, plus you'll have to deal with angry neighbors who have no interest in your issue. You'll be spending a lot of money on signs since you'll have to replace them everyday. Who's going to foot the bill for that? The RNC? The protesters?

    Come on, be real, it's most likely never going to happen. Once they are out of office people will most likely have no interest in them anymore.
    God Bless America, God Bless our Military and God Bless the Police who defended the country against the insurgents on January 6, 2021

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    My response was to #4; where if no one was put in jail or on trial, we should make their lives miserable?

    That being said, I've always maintained that no one is above the law; now why haven't they been put on trial or in jail? I have no idea; I'm sure if there were grounds to do such, either the House or Senate or the Dept of Justice would have acted by now. Perhaps that would be a good question for McConnell, Ryan or Sessions.
    Crooked Hillary is not charged because that would uncover Crooked Barack. And Crooked Barack is the chief coup plotter.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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