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    Realists created Mutually Assured Destruction. Long before Neocons existed. But they didn't expand the policy to the wacky levels that you suggest below. Think about constraints. Yes that is a term of art.

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    That's exactly right. And weapons must come with the willingness to use them. It has always been a policy of Neocons to actually put teeth into mutually assured destruction. To explain to nation states that we understand terrorist organizations cannot thrive without support, without being harbored, without being facilitated. Should another attack such as we saw on 9-11 occur, we are coming after your major cities as well. Tehran, Damascus, Kabul, Kaboom. As examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Russia has a massive underground city in the Ural. No telling how far down they have continued to dig down there. I doubt we have anything that can damage the deepest parts of that city. Of course we can damage the upper chambers and most entrances.
    Other than knowing its there. I doubt we know much about anything that's down there.
    That's quite possible.

    I think if there was an exchange of nuclear weapons, the surface of their country would most likely be so radioactive, they'd have to spend their remaining days living underground in this massive city they built. Most of the population would be dead or dying; their ability to grow food would likewise be compromised. All in all, I think I may have mentioned it somewhere, life as they knew it pre-war, would be over as it would be for us as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Realists created Mutually Assured Destruction. Long before Neocons existed. But they didn't expand the policy to the wacky levels that you suggest below. Think about constraints. Yes that is a term of art.
    The realists are those who allowed other countries to possess nuclear weapons in the first place and within decades, yes? One must allow the enemy to build such a weapon and become strong enough to in fact 'return the favor' before any 'creation' of a mutually assured destruction policy, yes?

    Y'all have had to be saved throughout history, your policies in themselves are assured destruction. Never again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    That's quite possible.

    I think if there was an exchange of nuclear weapons, the surface of their country would most likely be so radioactive, they'd have to spend their remaining days living underground in this massive city they built. Most of the population would be dead or dying; their ability to grow food would likewise be compromised. All in all, I think I may have mentioned it somewhere, life as they knew it pre-war, would be over as it would be for us as well.
    Of course, I believe something quite different. Most people would not know the war occurred directly. Even here that is true. Go online and use one of the scenario creators. Scale up the size of a nuclear detonation on the nearest likely target just to see how big it would have to be before you noticed it.

    In most places, the neutron-induced gamma activity hot spot might be a few hundred meters across. Rain water might carry some radioactive debris to eddy points that would be very dangerous.

    Who am I kidding? Most people believe the movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Status-6: Russia’s 100-megaton torpedo

    First that I have heard of this. Russia has an unmanned sub that carried 100-megaton torpedo. That could take out large parts of our Eastern Seaboard, aircraft carrier battle-groups, and more.



    But there is good news.
    Sounds more like "busy work". Why not just have a sub and deep sea divers bury one near a few major US ports with an ELF radio trigger? Can be set off by a satellite signal. Given the size, even if it was buried 3 miles offshore, it should certainly be able to destroy or irradiate the target.


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    Like the Neocons could prevent other nations from obtaining nuclear technology. You demonstrate that your ideology is hopelessly misguided with that statement.

    Realpolitik is an intelligent way to manage foreign policy. And you can look up that old article from FT about what the world would look like today if Neocons were expelled from power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    The realists are those who allowed other countries to possess nuclear weapons in the first place and within decades, yes? One must allow the enemy to build such a weapon and become strong enough to in fact 'return the favor' before any 'creation' of a mutually assured destruction policy, yes?

    Y'all have had to be saved throughout history, your policies in themselves are assured destruction. Never again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    Sounds more like "busy work". Why not just have a sub and deep sea divers bury one near a few major US ports with an ELF radio trigger? Can be set off by a satellite signal. Given the size, even if it was buried 3 miles offshore, it should certainly be able to destroy or irradiate the target.
    Two thoughts 1)flexibility 2)and recall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Status-6: Russia’s 100-megaton torpedo

    First that I have heard of this. Russia has an unmanned sub that carried 100-megaton torpedo. That could take out large parts of our Eastern Seaboard, aircraft carrier battle-groups, and more.



    But there is good news.

    "Battle groups" or "large parts of the esatern seaboard" ? Thet's $#@!ing nuts! But I still say no one is crazy enough to start a nuke war , but several countries are crazy enough to join one. If anyone destroys the world it will likely be hackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    "Battle groups" or "large parts of the esatern seaboard" ? Thet's $#@!ing nuts! But I still say no one is crazy enough to start a nuke war , but several countries are crazy enough to join one. If anyone destroys the world it will likely be hackers.
    Agreed about nuke war vs. hackers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Like the Neocons could prevent other nations from obtaining nuclear technology. You demonstrate that your ideology is hopelessly misguided with that statement.
    You stood idle while other nations developed nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them. Hopeless is what that was, forget the misguide part. Mutually assured destruction was, go ahead and build and threaten, be confident you'll be destroyed should you strike first. Correct?

    Realpolitik is an intelligent way to manage foreign policy. And you can look up that old article from FT about what the world would look like today if Neocons were expelled from power.
    Realists haven't shown intelligence managing foreign policy, in fact, you've been an utter disaster. I remember reading that article Peter, the reason the author was mentioning the world being different was to promote more of his ivory tower idiots into positions of power, it was a job resume, you're just not learned enough to know the difference between OP and analysis. Yet.

    And please try to remember.....Peter.....Neocons would have had to have 'power' for many more decades than you give them credit for in order to change the world. As well......you live today....in the most stable economy, peaceful existence, and higher standard of living than almost any human in history save for me....as I enjoy the same lifestyles and standards, I'm mush more highly aware and learned on our topics of conversation. Thus, I teach you.

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