school shooting

[Dr. Who]

Whether or not to permit teachers to be armed is going to have to be a state-by-state - maybe even a district-by-district - decision...and the teachers who don't want any part of it are, in some cases, going to have to bite the bullet - pun fully intended - and accept the new reality. I understand that in some places in the U.S, a certain number of teachers and admin staff have been armed for some time. Personally, all other things being equal, I'd prefer to see schools go to the single point of entry model - which, as someone pointed out, schools in high crime areas in urban centers have been doing for many years - with an armed presence, metal detectors, etc., there. Simply because if you put enough teachers with enough guns in enough schools, eventually something bad is going to happen; it's the old thousand monkeys with a thousand typewriters situation. We had a local Chief of Police here leave his service weapon in a public restroom a while back, and the last I heard they are still looking for it. All the training in the world is only as good as the head being subjected to it. I'm not what you'd call an opponent of the idea, necessarily; I just think there may be, in many cases, a better, more efficient solution.

Agreed. The schools need the same kind of security that businesses employ. Would anyone feel secure in their home even with weapons, if the front and back doors were wide open? Let's start with the most common sense security measures, like photo IDs, electronic passes and metal detectors. No just walking into schools like it's 1953 Kansas.

[zelmo1234]

Agreed. The schools need the same kind of security that businesses employ. Would anyone feel secure in their home even with weapons, if the front and back doors were wide open? Let's start with the most common sense security measures, like photo IDs, electronic passes and metal detectors. No just walking into schools like it's 1953 Kansas.

You don't think the shooters will be smart enough to kill a student outside and take his or her pass and then have access to the entire school.

Locks keep honest people out.

How about if we start with the reality that these Evil terrible people exist and if they decide that they are going to shoot up a school, they are going to have access to weapons legally or illegally and they will be able to get into the building.

And lets also acknowledge that the faster these monsters are killed, the better.

[Crepitus]

First, supposedly trained and experienced deputies failed to interven, hanging around outside waiting for it to be over. Do you think teachers will do any better?

Second, budget. We can't get enough funding for k-12 education but suddenly you can find money to train and arm teachers, expand other security measures, and generally just throw money at a problem that really on has one solution?

[Dr. Who]

You don't think the shooters will be smart enough to kill a student outside and take his or her pass and then have access to the entire school.

Locks keep honest people out.

How about if we start with the reality that these Evil terrible people exist and if they decide that they are going to shoot up a school, they are going to have access to weapons legally or illegally and they will be able to get into the building.

And lets also acknowledge that the faster these monsters are killed, the better.

Fine, then use retinal scans.

[Standing Wolf]

We can't get enough funding for k-12 education but suddenly you can find money to train and arm teachers, expand other security measures, and generally just throw money at a problem that really on has one solution?

Which is what, exactly? (And please don't say it's to give the CDC or some private think tank a few hundred million dollars to "study" the problem.)

[Standing Wolf]

We can't get enough funding for k-12 education but suddenly you can find money to train and arm teachers, expand other security measures, and generally just throw money at a problem that really on has one solution?

Which is what, exactly? (And please don't say it's to give the CDC or some private think tank a few hundred million dollars to "study" the problem.)

Dying from the suspense here.

[Cletus]

Would anyone feel secure in their home even with weapons, if the front and back doors were wide open?

I do.

[Mister D]

First, supposedly trained and experienced deputies failed to interven, hanging around outside waiting for it to be over. Do you think teachers will do any better?

Second, budget. We can't get enough funding for k-12 education but suddenly you can find money to train and arm teachers, expand other security measures, and generally just throw money at a problem that really on has one solution?

K-12 is generously funded. We throw money at a problem that really only has one solution (i.e taking your education seriously). So much irony...

[Cletus]

First, supposedly trained and experienced deputies failed to interven, hanging around outside waiting for it to be over. Do you think teachers will do any better?

The difference is that teachers are already in the line of fire.

Second, budget. We can't get enough funding for k-12 education but suddenly you can find money to train and arm teachers, expand other security measures, and generally just throw money at a problem that really on has one solution?

The solution is not what you think it is.

Training and arming teachers is not an issue of expense. You could easily find professional firearms trainers who would donate their time to do so. There is a Sheriff in Ohio who just offered free concealed handgun training to 300 school employees in his jurisdiction.

[Cletus]

Fine, then use retinal scans.

Really?

You are being ridiculous.