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    Ways to prevent from SAPD chief weighs in on school safety following Florida shooting

    Whether it's arming teachers, placing more armed security officers on school campuses or metal detectors -- many including San Antonio Police Department Chief William McManus agree, change needs to happen in order to prevent school shootings.

    "There absolutely has to be a conversation about how to possibly prevent these," McManus said.

    ...The Texas Association of School Boards said more than 150 school districts throughout Texas allow staff to carry guns. Harrold Independent School District, which sits just outside of Wichita Falls, is among the 150.

    "You need to meet a force with an appropriate force, and you need to protect our children," David Thweatt, Harrold ISD superintendent, said.

    McManus said he would work with districts locally, should they decide to ever arm teachers, but, he said arming educators isn't the only solution.

    "Intelligence is the only way that you're going to be able to prevent that from happening," McManus said. "The security at the school needs to be flawless. It needs to be fail-safe and I'm not quite sure how you get to that point where you got a fail-safe security system at a school because you have too many people coming and going."

    Not everyone supports the arming of educators. The president of the Texas State Teacher's Association said teachers should teach and police officers should handle security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The chief is wrong, of course. Security will never be flawless. If it was no teacher would need to be armed. Fail-safe means when the system does fail it fails in a safe manner. The fail-safe is the armed teacher/staff. No one can prevent the first few murders. Bringing friendly guns to the fight as early as possible will reduce the total number of killings and injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The chief is wrong, of course. Security will never be flawless. if it was no teacher would need to be armed. Fail-safe means when the system does fail it fails in a safe manner. The fail-safe is the armed teacher/staff. No one can prevent the first few murders. Bringing friendly guns to the fight as early as possible will reduce the total number of killings and injuries.
    I'm sure he probably means aim for that ideal. He even admits the difficulty of achieving it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    There is no statistically appreciable link between school shootings and mental illness. People (I say that generously like they're not essentially all males) without any diagnosis whatsoever are practically just as likely as people who have one or more psychological diagnoses to commit these atrocities. Very few people who struggle with mental illness commit violent acts. The mental health experts say that we should stop blaming mental illness for these things for these reasons. We are wrongly stigmatizing, and indeed (if you listen to what the NRA, the cops, etc. have to say about this) attempting to criminalize those of us who struggle with things like depression and anxiety, as though these struggles compel me, or would ever compel me, to go shoot up a bunch of innocent people! Being a damaged person doesn't make you shoot up a school or a church or a concert. Being a horrible, hateful person with an assault rifle makes you do that!

    A history of domestic violence is the single most predictive factor among those who commit mass shootings if you're looking for ways to decipher who shouldn't be allowed access firearms. In fact, upwards of 50% of all mass shootings are committed by such people. The link between mass shootings and mental illness, by contrast, is negligible.



    I don't fear the average gun-owning citizen (I am one myself, in fact), but surely, speaking of intellectual honesty, you can acknowledge the fact that some of these "law-abiding citizens" wind up committing horrible, large-scale atrocities (Columbine, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Las Vegas, Parkland, to name just a few of the better-known cases), pretty much always with assault weapons, that are entirely preventable, not just 'manageable'. Acknowledging that the majority of mass shootings that occur in this country can be prevented in the first step toward more effective communication here.
    Psychopathy, sometimes known as psychopathic personality disorder is considered a mental illness. While many with this disorder are functional and productive members of society, some are not. A child who has little emotion, lack of remorse, is dishonest and exhibits antisocial behavior, for example, may be exhibiting some psychopathic tendencies. It can be caused by a genetic predisposition and/or by bad parenting, drug/alcohol abuse in the home and/or child abuse.

    Unfortunately, some of the symptoms of autism spectrum disorders overlap the symptoms of psychopathy. Certainly, a lack of empathy and an inability to form meaningful relationships is common to both and seem to involve abnormalities within the same regions of the brain. What happens with autistic kids with bad home lives? While major behavior problems such as aggressiveness and self-injury can occur in autistic individuals raised in the best of family environments, they occur with greater frequency and often greater severity in dysfunctional families. It is known that chaos, shouting and stress produces emotional disturbances in the autistic and that is sometimes expressed in aggressive behavior. Controlling rage in ASD kids can be an issue and the child's personality plays into it. Some threaten people with violence and hurt others and some just harm themselves. They often have a highly developed sense of justice (or injustice) and may keep track of every action toward themselves that they view as unfair, IOW they can hold grudges for a very long time.

    Research also indicates that there may be some correlation between high functioning autistics with co-occurring psychiatric problems and violent crime.

    I don't think at this point that we can afford to disregard the potential for any of the various brain, personality or psychiatric disorders to act as contributing factors to these events.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Dr. Who wrote:
    Psychopathy, sometimes known as psychopathic personality disorder is considered a mental illness. While many with this disorder are functional and productive members of society, some are not. A child who has little emotion, lack of remorse, is dishonest and exhibits antisocial behavior, for example, may be exhibiting some psychopathic tendencies. It can be caused by a genetic predisposition and/or by bad parenting, drug/alcohol abuse in the home and/or child abuse.

    Unfortunately, some of the symptoms of autism spectrum disorders overlap the symptoms of psychopathy. Certainly, a lack of empathy and an inability to form meaningful relationships is common to both and seem to involve abnormalities within the same regions of the brain. What happens with autistic kids with bad home lives? While major behavior problems such as aggressiveness and self-injury can occur in autistic individuals raised in the best of family environments, they occur with greater frequency and often greater severity in dysfunctional families. It is known that chaos, shouting and stress produces emotional disturbances in the autistic and that is sometimes expressed in aggressive behavior. Controlling rage in ASD kids can be an issue and the child's personality plays into it. Some threaten people with violence and hurt others and some just harm themselves. They often have a highly developed sense of justice (or injustice) and may keep track of every action toward themselves that they view as unfair, IOW they can hold grudges for a very long time.

    Research also indicates that there may be some correlation between high functioning autistics with co-occurring psychiatric problems and violent crime.

    I don't think at this point that we can afford to disregard the potential for any of the various brain, personality or psychiatric disorders to act as contributing factors to these events.
    That isn't how people are talking about it though. People are just saying "mental illness" in the abstract, as a catch-all term for everything and for evil. Take the Parkland sheriff, for example, who has repeatedly proposed to just go around arresting people and throwing them in mental institutions against their will "at the first sign of mental illness." Do you see how that could bother someone like me who struggles with conditions like depression and is not a threat to anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Psychopathy, sometimes known as psychopathic personality disorder is considered a mental illness. While many with this disorder are functional and productive members of society, some are not. A child who has little emotion, lack of remorse, is dishonest and exhibits antisocial behavior, for example, may be exhibiting some psychopathic tendencies. It can be caused by a genetic predisposition and/or by bad parenting, drug/alcohol abuse in the home and/or child abuse.

    Unfortunately, some of the symptoms of autism spectrum disorders overlap the symptoms of psychopathy. Certainly, a lack of empathy and an inability to form meaningful relationships is common to both and seem to involve abnormalities within the same regions of the brain. What happens with autistic kids with bad home lives? While major behavior problems such as aggressiveness and self-injury can occur in autistic individuals raised in the best of family environments, they occur with greater frequency and often greater severity in dysfunctional families. It is known that chaos, shouting and stress produces emotional disturbances in the autistic and that is sometimes expressed in aggressive behavior. Controlling rage in ASD kids can be an issue and the child's personality plays into it. Some threaten people with violence and hurt others and some just harm themselves. They often have a highly developed sense of justice (or injustice) and may keep track of every action toward themselves that they view as unfair, IOW they can hold grudges for a very long time.

    Research also indicates that there may be some correlation between high functioning autistics with co-occurring psychiatric problems and violent crime.

    I don't think at this point that we can afford to disregard the potential for any of the various brain, personality or psychiatric disorders to act as contributing factors to these events.

    If you could just tie those general disorders to mass shootings. But you cannot. Nothing in the psychoogical literature does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    That isn't how people are talking about it though. People are just saying "mental illness" in the abstract, as a catch-all term for everything and for evil. Take the Parkland sheriff, for example, who has repeatedly proposed to just go around arresting people and throwing them in mental institutions against their will "at the first sign of mental illness." Do you see how that could bother someone like me who struggles with conditions like depression and is not a threat to anyone?
    Chalk it up to hysteria. There is no reason to think that a person suffering from depression would suddenly turn homicidal. It's a mood disorder that can pose a risk of self-harm but isn't characterized by hurting other people. There are also a lot of neuroses that are technically mental illnesses but are quite benign unless people think that someone with OCD or hypochondria poses a risk to society.

    The Parkland sheriff is so anxious to cover up for the inadequacies of his own department that he's willing to start a witch hunt, which is not helpful.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    I can't imagine packing heat at work.
    then you would never be a cop...thank God for the smaller things in life
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