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Thread: Must a Social Worker Advise an Incarcerated Def of His Rights Under Miranda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    Translation: How dare you question me! $#@! you!
    You didn't even get that right.It had nothing to do with you disagreeing with me. It had everything to do with your stupid statement in doing so. Should I quote it for you?

    Great. Do you work for the Parkland PD or Broward Sheriff's Department? It would explain a lot.
    Was that what you would consider a reasoned, rational, or logical response? It reads like something written by Exotix or that Bo thing.

    My response to you was appropriate and actually quite moderate.
    When you come off the ceiling and cool down, perhaps we can discuss this logically without all of your theatrics.
    If you think you are capable, feel free to give it a try.
    Last edited by Cletus; 03-04-2018 at 02:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    You aren't in custody at that time.
    What is your opinion of the Miranda warning, in general?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    You didn't even get that right.It had nothing to do with you disagreeing with me. It had everything to do with your stupid statement in doing so. Should I quote it for you?
    Was that what you would consider a reasoned, rational, or logical response? It reads like something written by Exotix or that Bo thing.
    My response to you was appropriate and actually quite moderate.

    If you think you are capable, feel free to give it a try.
    Obviously you're current emotional state is still very elevated. I hope you do not have blood pressure problems.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    The whole "Miranda" issue is ridiculous. There should be no requirement to Mirandize anyone upon arrest or before interrogation.
    Your ideas for a police state are not inline with most American ideas of a free country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    Obviously you're current emotional state is still very elevated. I hope you do not have blood pressure problems.
    Stop trying to avoid the issue with bull$#@!.
    Your ideas for a police state are not inline with most American ideas of a free country.
    Another uninformed or just plain stupid statement. Never have I advocated a police state. In fact, if know how to go back and look, you will see that I am in fact quite outspoken about government overreach and the primacy of the individual over the state.

    When you get your head out of your fourth point of contact, we can try again to discuss this. You are obviously not ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Stop trying to avoid the issue with bull$#@!.

    Another uninformed or just plain stupid statement. Never have I advocated a police state. In fact, if know how to go back and look, you will see that I am in fact quite outspoken about government overreach and the primacy of the individual over the state.
    When you get your head out of your fourth point of contact, we can try again to discuss this. You are obviously not ready.
    Obviously you are still very upset. When you calm down, maybe we can talk.


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    When I go to the DMV should they read me my rights? After all, they work for the state.
    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    You aren't in custody at that time.
    Would I be in custody if CPS asked me a question?

    I see in the story the perp had been arrested and read his rights before he talked to the CPS rep. So the perp was already in custody and had already been advised of his rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    Obviously you are still very upset. When you calm down, maybe we can talk.
    Okay, it is obvious you have nothing to contribute to the discussion. You could have just said so up front and saved some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Okay, it is obvious you have nothing to contribute to the discussion. You could have just said so up front and saved some time.
    Pot meet kettle.

    Scroll up. I've made several posts regarding Miranda. You claimed the following, a throwback to the rubber hose days:
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    The whole "Miranda" issue is ridiculous. There should be no requirement to Mirandize anyone upon arrest or before interrogation.


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    My question about Miranda is "Why should any agent of the government, including law enforcement be required to advise a citizen that is not necessary to answer any questions during an interrogation? It is counterproductive.

    A citizen or resident alien should KNOW his or her rights under the law. If he doesn't, it is his fault. No one else should be responsible for informing him of them. How many investigations have been ruined because a cop forgot to Mirandize a suspect be questioning him? How many criminals have walked, even though the evidence against them is irrefutable because they were either not informed of the Miranda rights or were not informed in a timely manner?

    It should not be incumbent upon a cop to advise me of my rights. It is my responsibility as a citizen to know them. Not telling somebody they don't have to answer any questions is not in any way depriving them of their Fifth Amendment protections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    Pot meet kettle.

    Scroll up. I've made several posts regarding Miranda. You claimed the following, a throwback to the rubber hose days:
    Nothing you said had any substance.

    As I said, this subject is obviously beyond your ken.
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