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Thread: So Family Courts Favor Mothers, You Say?

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    Ethereal wrote:
    Unsubstantiated claims made by biased individuals in a shoddy news article are not facts.
    Actually, multiple studies were cited and they are highly credible. What counter-evidence can you provide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    My point in the OP was that, in reality, it is a verifiable fact that men are already given preferential treatment in family courts, and thus what these activists are demanding OBJECTIVELY is an even greater level of special treatment, no matter they frame it. Am I getting through here?
    Again, my question is about what "The online MRAs tell us incessantly." Am I getting through? I want to see what they actually say, not your interpretations. If it's incessant it ought to be easy to find some examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Actually, multiple studies were cited and they are highly credible. What counter-evidence can you provide?
    And studies that show the opposite: Maternal Preference in Child Custody Decisions

    At this time, all states have gender neutral child custody laws, which have replaced laws and precedents which usually gave preference to mothers (maternal preference) in custody decisions. There have been suggestions in the legal literature that maternal preference among judges may still exist in spite of these laws. In the present study, state judges in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Tennessee were surveyed by mail with regard to their beliefs dealing with issues related to maternal preference in child custody decisions. The items on the questionnaire dealt with the quality of parenting provided by mothers versus fathers, children's adjustment following divorce while living with mothers versus fathers, and the preferred custodian following divorce. Usable data was provided by 149 judges. The results of the study showed that the judges exhibited continuing indications of maternal preference. These results were very consistent, with the means on every item of the questionnaire indicating a greater preference toward mothers than fathers.
    Do you want to read the rest of this article?

    Maternal Preference in Child Custody Decisions. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...tody_Decisions [accessed Mar 04 2018].
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    From the article:

    “This 9-year-old testified to the … rape that his father was committing and to sexual fondling. This is the same testimony that in criminal cases is sufficient to support a criminal conviction beyond a reasonable doubt,” says Ducote. “But in family court, it’s disregarded, because the courts favor this excuse of parental-alienation syndrome. Courts say this is simply the result of the mother coaching the child to say the father’s beating them, therefore the father should have custody.”
    If what this attorney is saying is true, that the testimony of this child is "sufficient to support a criminal conviction beyond a reasonable doubt", then why isn't the father being prosecuted in criminal court?

    And why did the author of this article only quote the attorney for the mother? Isn't it standard journalistic practice to get quotes from both sides of the story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Actually, multiple studies were cited and they are highly credible.
    Which studies specifically? Can you link to them? Or at least name them? What makes them "highly credible" in your opinion?

    What counter-evidence can you provide?
    You're the one making the claim of a "verifiable fact", ergo the onus falls on you to demonstrate that claim.
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    Ethereal wrote:
    Which studies specifically? Can you link to them? Or at least name them? What makes them "highly credible" in your opinion?
    *groans* They're cited right there in the article. You can see them. You're not blind. You have Google. Do some work for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    And studies that show the opposite: Maternal Preference in Child Custody Decisions
    Another interesting point came in with Courts favoring Mothers over Fathers. Came about due to the Alienation of children by a parent. Wherein the majority of kids being alienated from a parent. Was caused or committed by Mothers alienating the children from their Fathers.
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    Look, I found a "highly credible" study that contradicts everything claimed in the article you posted:

    (St. John's Law Review) The Disparity Between Men and Women in Custody Disputes: Is Joint Custody the Answer to Everyone's Problems?

    ...A traditional cultural and legal presumption currently standing is that, upon marital dissolution, children should remain in their mother's custody. This presumption creates a great disparity between the number of child custody awards to men and those to women...

    ...Fathers normally play significant roles in children's lives, yet, in nine out of ten divorced families, the mother retains sole custody of the children...
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    MMC wrote:
    Another interesting point came in with Courts favoring Mothers over Fathers. Came about due to the Alienation of children by a parent. Wherein the majority of kids being alienated from a parent. Was caused or committed by Mothers alienating the children from their Fathers.
    Literally the entire OP is about claims of alienation often being BS that wouldn't stand up in criminal court. Just pointing that out, as you appear to have missed the whole point that the article I linked to was making.

    I am a living example of that claim being BS. My abusive dad falsely claimed that my mom had put words in my mouth in court and won primary custody. So don't tell me that doesn't happen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    *groans* They're cited right there in the article. You can see them. You're not blind. You have Google. Do some work for yourself.
    Here are the actual "citations":

    (1) But, according to a Massachusetts study from the 1980s, when fathers contest custody, they win 70 percent of the time.
    (2) A national study by Meier, a professor of clinical law at George Washington University and the founder of DV LEAP, looked at 240 child-custody cases. In those cases, alleged child-abusers won custody or unsupervised visitation with a child victim 81 percent of the time.

    Neither of these are actual citations. The studies are not linked to or even named. That you expect me to root around the internet in search of these vaguely defined studies is fairly ridiculous, since you're the one trying to convince people of your claims. All I did was challenge you to back those claims up, which it appears you cannot.
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