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    So Family Courts Favor Mothers, You Say?

    The online MRAs tell us incessantly that fathers face sex-discrimination in family courts. Here's what child welfare advocates have to say about that claim:

    ...the myth that family courts unfairly favor mothers helps protect abusers. According to the Pew Research Center, the vast majority of custody cases are settled out of court, and in 70 percent of those cases, mothers end up with primary custody. But, according to a Massachusetts study from the 1980s, when fathers contest custody, they win 70 percent of the time.

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    A national study by Meier, a professor of clinical law at George Washington University and the founder of DV LEAP, looked at 240 child-custody cases. In those cases, alleged child-abusers won custody or unsupervised visitation with a child victim 81 percent of the time.

    “What the data show is that alienation does a lot of damage when a father claims it against a mother who is claiming abuse, that it is not gender equitable, that it doesn’t work the same way in reverse,” says Meier. “Parental alienation is very gender biased. It does a lot more damage when a father wields it than when a mother wields it. And it does more damage when she claims abuse.
    That right there explains a lot of my childhood!

    That's right, it's the norm for fathers to win custody whenever they contest it, especially when they are accused of abusing their own children, by their own children! Getting accused of abusing your child, especially if it's sexual abuse, actually increases a father's odds of winning custody, where in criminal court, by contrast, the same testimonials would be consider sufficient evidence to convict! That lines up with my experience. So the next time you hear some MRA online complaining about how the family courts favor women, just remember this!
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    Can you give some examples of MRAs saying that?
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    First, not all men are abusive towards anyone. Some are, but you're using an awful big paint brush to paint all men as abusive.
    As you've indicated in the past, you prefer you men emasculated. Why? So women can beat their men up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Can you give some examples of MRAs saying that?
    this must be Beat on Conservative Men Day.......
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    Chris wrote:
    Can you give some examples of MRAs saying that?
    It's not just one or two organizations, but a whole subsection of the men's movement known as father's rights, Chris! You can read about it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    It's not just one or two organizations, but a whole subsection of the men's movement known as father's rights, Chris! You can read about it here.
    What I'm asking for is examples of what "The online MRAs tell us incessantly." That article explains that these men just want equal rights.
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    St. James wrote:
    First, not all men are abusive towards anyone. Some are, but you're using an awful big paint brush to paint all men as abusive.
    Whoa, this is a revelation to me, St. James! I had no idea that less than 100% of men abused their children before you just told me!

    (What I am saying is let's please try to make actual arguments, not straw man arguments.)

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    Chris wrote:
    What I'm asking for is examples of what "The online MRAs tell us incessantly." That article explains that these men just want equal rights.
    My point in the OP was that, in reality, it is a verifiable fact that men are already given preferential treatment in family courts, and thus what these activists are demanding OBJECTIVELY is an even greater level of special treatment, no matter they frame it. Am I getting through here?

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    Of course family courts have favored mothers. It was called the "maternal preference". States have taken steps over the years to reverse this policy, but there is no denying it existed or that it still has lingering effects.

    As for the article, it contains no actual evidence of anything. Just some "studies" that aren't even named or linked to. As for the court case it describes, it simply assumes that the court made the wrong decision. I have no idea why other than the obvious bias of the author.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    ...it is a verifiable fact that men are already given preferential treatment in family courts...
    Unsubstantiated claims made by biased individuals in a shoddy news article are not facts.
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