The Four Freedoms

[Captdon]

A good point since Lincoln was the one who expanded the powers of the Federal government to dominate the states.

He was trying to keep our union together.

[Captdon]

Agreed it us on the path of centralized government. The North's dictatorial approach to Southern states during and after reconstruction created the great divide that continues to exist today. Notice the hatred many of our Northern posters continue to have for Southerners.

After the Civil War the South got off easy. They should have had their leaders hanged for treason. Their land should have been confiscated. They killed 320,000 US soldiers and should have been punished as severely as possible.

[MisterVeritis]

nothing comes overnight. To seize control over an entire continent is dictatorial. Bear in mind,one or a group, ruling over us, is the first step. Everything that has happened has been at the expense of the Civil War. Lincoln freed no one, he enslaved all to a central power.

I know some people make the case that Lincoln was a tyrant. If so, his tyranny had the aim of maintaining the union of the states. If you like begin a thread to discuss Lincoln. I have dozens of books about Lincoln in addition to his collected papers. It may be time to dig deeply into them.

[MisterVeritis]

Agreed it us on the path of centralized government. The North's dictatorial approach to Southern states during and after reconstruction created the great divide that continues to exist today. Notice the hatred many of our Northern posters continue to have for Southerners.

Your complaint in a more general sense, is that war is always damaging to our liberties.

Reconstruction problems cannot be laid at Lincoln's feet. He was in the ground.

[Max Rockatansky]

After the Civil War the South got off easy. They should have had their leaders hanged for treason. Their land should have been confiscated. They killed 320,000 US soldiers and should have been punished as severely as possible.

The war goes on. Yes, martyring thousands more Southerners would have cemented a divide bigger than the one we have today, perhaps even a second Civil War when the North was weak such as during the Depression or nearly bankrupt after WWII.

[MisterVeritis]

We can amend the Constitution to make them rights. That's all any of our rights are- words on paper.

Well, no.

Freedom from want can never be a right. Nor can freedom from fear.

Real freedoms are restraints on government. How could freedom from want be protected? If it cannot be protected by our current government form is there a government form more suited to supply your every need and, of course, to tuck you in at night? Who would you choose to be enslaved in order to provide for the freedom from want? Someone will have to be enslaved to meet your needs.

[MisterVeritis]

After the Civil War the South got off easy. They should have had their leaders hanged for treason. Their land should have been confiscated. They killed 320,000 US soldiers and should have been punished as severely as possible.

You behave as if such a thing was possible. Without an honorable surrender the war would have continued on.