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Thread: Religious freedom law doesn't shield funeral home that fired transgender worker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    If this is a guy who thinks he is a woman, that alone should be grounds for not wanting him working for you. He is obviously mentally impaired.

    It shouldn't even be a religious issue. If the owner doesn't want him working there, he should be able to terminate him for any reason or no reason.
    Agreed. Unless you are represented under a labor contract (which the terms and conditions are spelled out), the employer has the unfettered right to terminate your employment relationship subject to Title VII.

    In this case I think if the employer simply told the employee that his/her services were no longer needed, that would have been the end of it right there.
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    Listen, yes you can fire for no reason but it can be for an illegal reason and it cannot be a pretext firing -- you are firing them for an illegal reason but claim it's for a legal reason. I've defended pretext age firing cases and we showed it was not pretext firing b/c we had valid business reasons and/or plenty of age group members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    If it is any reason or no reason, there is no illegal reason.

    "I don't want you working here. Adios" should be all it takes.
    Agreed here.

    As discussed on the Walmart gun thread, private business owners should have the right to who they employ and with whom they do business. Federal government shouldn't be allowed to dictate morality. However, I do offer the solution that the Federal government can offer incentives to private businesses to comply with certain standards before being eligible for tax breaks, small business loans, FEMA, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    Wrong again, but it's because you obviously believe the Federal government, through the Constitution, grants us our rights and privileges as subjects of the State. Let me set you straight: It doesn't. The Constitution limits government. Period.

    As Rand Paul noted, it's one thing to kill Jim Crow, which violated the 14th Amendment in making it more difficult for blacks to vote, denying them their right to vote and segregating them in government facilities like public schools, federal buildings, federal jobs, etc. It's another thing to dictate to private citizens who they must allow onto their private property. This is not a moral question; I think it's wrong to discriminate, but I am concerned about Federal government overreach....which this is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Listen, yes you can fire for no reason but it can be for an illegal reason and it cannot be a pretext firing -- you are firing them for an illegal reason but claim it's for a legal reason. I've defended pretext age firing cases and we showed it was not pretext firing b/c we had valid business reasons and/or plenty of age group members.
    Again, it shouldn't matter WHY the employer fires him. He shouldn't need a reason. Whether he thinks he is too old or too young or left handed or black or white or homosexual or heterosexual... it shouldn't matter.

    The only thing that should matter is that it is the owner's business and he should be able to decide whether someone should work there. It is really none of the government's business.
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