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    'Believe All Women' At Your Peril​


    By David Solway
    March 11, 2018

    We've heard it all before: "start by believing." "Believe survivors." At a recent panel discussion

    at the Ottawa City Hall, where my wife, Janice Fiamengo, [https://www.amazon.com/Womans-Page-...id=1520631521&sr=1-4&keywords=janice+fiamengo] was one of three featured participants, the subject of #MeToo and "Believe All Women" came up during the Q&A. (See 1:35:34 to 1:38:27 of the embedded YouTube video below.) An audience member claimed that it behooved us in most cases to give credence to women bringing forth their stories of sexual abuse. The young woman was skeptical of the court process as a way of resolving issues of sexual violence in women's favor and contended that we need "non-criminal" forms of restorative justice, some form of "healing or accountability."



    Janice and her co-panelists, authors Paul Nathanson [https://www.amazon.com/Spreading-Mi...qid=1520631591&sr=1-1&keywords=paul+nathanson] and David Shackleton, [https://www.amazon.com/Hand-That-Ro...d=1520631682&sr=1-5&keywords=david+shackleton] quickly put paid to that notion. Non-legal judgments via social media and public shaming could be as onerous and punitive as legal sentencing, turning men who had not been proven guilty into social lepers and bankrupts. The legal system may be flawed, but, as Shackleton remarked, it is the best we have and is theoretically capable of improvement.
    ~snip~
    In fact, an argument against #MeToo and the concomitant pursuit of non-legal incrimination is often put forward by the subtler variety of feminists, such as Josephine Mathias in the New York Times [http://nationalpost.com/opinion/jos...the-believe-all-women-catchphrase-really-mean] and Bari Weiss in the New York Times, [file:///C:/Users/drewb/Downloads/New%20York%20Times] but for a completely different reason. They maintain that false allegations in the public sphere, such as the Duke Lacrosse [https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...013/02/28/duke-2006-rape-allegations/1953607/] and Rolling Stone
    [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-stone-rape-story-defends-reporting/92452512/] moments, may discredit the "Believe All Women" movement; in the words of Weiss, such fictions "will tear down all accusers as false prophets." It is not the harm to innocent men that concerns Weiss, but the damage to female credibility. The movement must be maintained.
    ~snip~
    The "Believe All Women" meme is now rooted in our manifold hierarchies of oppression. It will continue to do untold harm to both men and women unless we can return to the approximate sanity of the past, before the absurdly named "Twitter" feeds, the duplicitous and unaccountable intimacy of Facebook, and the Fake News Media came to substitute for investigative justice.

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    I think the rule for the Progressive Marxist Socialist is, believe all women, unless they accuse Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, or some other liberal/Democrat icon. Then the women are called nuts and $#@!s and demonized.(sarc)
    Perhaps we should simply balance this Bovine Scat movement with the "Believe All Children Movement"? Then the tens of millions of women who every year abuse children at a rate many times higher than men can watch their lives and fortunes dwindle as they try to convince the world, that has already tried and convicted them, of their innocence.
    Or we can simply stick to "Innocent Until Proven Guilty", and muddle through.
    Men and women both have a crucial role to play in the making of a successful relationship and a successful society.
    Particular skill sets are mostly tendencies evident across a broad generalization of that gender. We all get this, at least on some level, and we should embrace or at least recognize those tendencies and appreciate them but without prejudice.
    But...this is not what is going on here with this feminist movement. What these radical feminists are revealing is that THEY feel inferior to men. They seek to relate to men on a man's terms and are persistently frustrated with the outcomes.
    This has made them increasingly bitter and so now they increasingly seek to punish the object of their frustrations. They can't do it physically and so they seek to use the force of law to do their dirty work for them. They want absolute power over men in all aspects of life within our society.
    Meanwhile, the FemNazi's have no problem attacking real women like Dana Loesch, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Pamela Geller, and Sarah Palin, that are vilified for their shows of bravery and womanhood.
    Political feminism has been chewing up America since the mid-Nineteenth Century. The Seneca Falls, NY Convention was in 1848. Were downtrodden, oppressed American women reacting to porn when they organized and held that conference, too?
    Whatever evil a females does, there are millions of American males -- many of them 'Progressive Leftists' -- who are quite ready to rush forward and blame a male for it. Any male will do, and if the female's sin can be linked somehow to male sexuality, all the better for a rationalization.
    Women and girls and just so wonderful, so sweet and faultless and innocent, that the only time they do something evil -- like back their own self-serving political movement for 170 years -- is because some male, or some male behavior, somehow caused it. And thus males should be punished for any rottenness perpetrated by a female or females.
    Just look at what feminist Carrie Nation created in the early 20th Century and 'Prohibition". Their movement created organized crime and other illegal operations that still exist today.
    Has the National Feminist movement improved over the years? Certainly they've gained the right to vote and equality in a myriad of ways, but continuing attacking men will not solve their problem.

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    Exactly.....go after them with their abuses on children and their exploitation of children. When do the leftist feminists own up to their responsibility with the sexual revolution that has screwed younger generations heads for the decades that came after their uhm evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wehrwolfen View Post

    By David Solway
    March 11, 2018

    We've heard it all before: "start by believing." "Believe survivors." At a recent panel discussion

    at the Ottawa City Hall, where my wife, Janice Fiamengo, [https://www.amazon.com/Womans-Page-...id=1520631521&sr=1-4&keywords=janice+fiamengo] was one of three featured participants, the subject of #MeToo and "Believe All Women" came up during the Q&A. (See 1:35:34 to 1:38:27 of the embedded YouTube video below.) An audience member claimed that it behooved us in most cases to give credence to women bringing forth their stories of sexual abuse. The young woman was skeptical of the court process as a way of resolving issues of sexual violence in women's favor and contended that we need "non-criminal" forms of restorative justice, some form of "healing or accountability."



    Janice and her co-panelists, authors Paul Nathanson [https://www.amazon.com/Spreading-Mi...qid=1520631591&sr=1-1&keywords=paul+nathanson] and David Shackleton, [https://www.amazon.com/Hand-That-Ro...d=1520631682&sr=1-5&keywords=david+shackleton] quickly put paid to that notion. Non-legal judgments via social media and public shaming could be as onerous and punitive as legal sentencing, turning men who had not been proven guilty into social lepers and bankrupts. The legal system may be flawed, but, as Shackleton remarked, it is the best we have and is theoretically capable of improvement.
    ~snip~
    In fact, an argument against #MeToo and the concomitant pursuit of non-legal incrimination is often put forward by the subtler variety of feminists, such as Josephine Mathias in the New York Times [http://nationalpost.com/opinion/jos...the-believe-all-women-catchphrase-really-mean] and Bari Weiss in the New York Times, [file:///C:/Users/drewb/Downloads/New York Times] but for a completely different reason. They maintain that false allegations in the public sphere, such as the Duke Lacrosse [https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...013/02/28/duke-2006-rape-allegations/1953607/] and Rolling Stone
    [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-stone-rape-story-defends-reporting/92452512/] moments, may discredit the "Believe All Women" movement; in the words of Weiss, such fictions "will tear down all accusers as false prophets." It is not the harm to innocent men that concerns Weiss, but the damage to female credibility. The movement must be maintained.
    ~snip~
    The "Believe All Women" meme is now rooted in our manifold hierarchies of oppression. It will continue to do untold harm to both men and women unless we can return to the approximate sanity of the past, before the absurdly named "Twitter" feeds, the duplicitous and unaccountable intimacy of Facebook, and the Fake News Media came to substitute for investigative justice.

    Source:
    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...#ixzz59T9xwDdm

    ~~~~
    I think the rule for the Progressive Marxist Socialist is, believe all women, unless they accuse Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, or some other liberal/Democrat icon. Then the women are called nuts and $#@!s and demonized.(sarc)
    Perhaps we should simply balance this Bovine Scat movement with the "Believe All Children Movement"? Then the tens of millions of women who every year abuse children at a rate many times higher than men can watch their lives and fortunes dwindle as they try to convince the world, that has already tried and convicted them, of their innocence.
    Or we can simply stick to "Innocent Until Proven Guilty", and muddle through.
    Men and women both have a crucial role to play in the making of a successful relationship and a successful society.
    Particular skill sets are mostly tendencies evident across a broad generalization of that gender. We all get this, at least on some level, and we should embrace or at least recognize those tendencies and appreciate them but without prejudice.
    But...this is not what is going on here with this feminist movement. What these radical feminists are revealing is that THEY feel inferior to men. They seek to relate to men on a man's terms and are persistently frustrated with the outcomes.
    This has made them increasingly bitter and so now they increasingly seek to punish the object of their frustrations. They can't do it physically and so they seek to use the force of law to do their dirty work for them. They want absolute power over men in all aspects of life within our society.
    Meanwhile, the FemNazi's have no problem attacking real women like Dana Loesch, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Pamela Geller, and Sarah Palin, that are vilified for their shows of bravery and womanhood.
    Political feminism has been chewing up America since the mid-Nineteenth Century. The Seneca Falls, NY Convention was in 1848. Were downtrodden, oppressed American women reacting to porn when they organized and held that conference, too?
    Whatever evil a females does, there are millions of American males -- many of them 'Progressive Leftists' -- who are quite ready to rush forward and blame a male for it. Any male will do, and if the female's sin can be linked somehow to male sexuality, all the better for a rationalization.
    Women and girls and just so wonderful, so sweet and faultless and innocent, that the only time they do something evil -- like back their own self-serving political movement for 170 years -- is because some male, or some male behavior, somehow caused it. And thus males should be punished for any rottenness perpetrated by a female or females.
    Just look at what feminist Carrie Nation created in the early 20th Century and 'Prohibition". Their movement created organized crime and other illegal operations that still exist today.
    Has the National Feminist movement improved over the years? Certainly they've gained the right to vote and equality in a myriad of ways, but continuing attacking men will not solve their problem.
    It behooves us to require evidence and add use statutes of limitations in civil cases. Then when reported in time and proveable to move swiftly against true abusers

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    It behooves us to require evidence and add use statutes of limitations in civil cases. Then when reported in time and proveable to move swiftly against true abusers
    It also requires us to go after any women making false allegations.....and especially any women Feminists that enabled them. Their names need to be put out there top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It also requires us to go after any women making false allegations.....and especially any women Feminists that enabled them. Their names need to be put out there top.
    Yes, but again proof is needed.

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