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    #MeToo is Viewed Favorably

    A new national opinion survey finds that the Me Too movement is distinctly more popular than not: 51% of respondents say that the movement has helped address social inequality between men and women, while just 20% (mostly just partisan Republicans) say that it has instead led to unfair treatment of men. Data collected from another recent public survey -- the most comprehensive of its kind to date -- hints at why that may be:

    -81% of women and 43% of men surveyed say that they have experienced sexual harassment before.
    -27% of women and 7% of men surveyed say that they been sexually attacked before (up from 18% and 2% respectively in the most similar survey from 2010).

    Perhaps then, in reality, Me Too has taken off and remains popular because it is addressing an actual, epidemic social problem and is not, as detractors contend, a "witch hunt".

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    1. I think the #metoo is positive.

    2. I do get concerned even prior to #metoo that women can make something up and ruin a career. I would like to make sure things are investigated before people get fired or ruined. So far I haven't seen that much since #metoo started. It is knee jerk fire him.

    3. As far as these inequities I just don't see them. I have been hiring and firing for 25 years. I haven't witnessed a woman being held back or offered less than a man. I have never seen it once. I have 5 women and 7 men directly reporting. I just hired 2 women. I have never been in a meeting where this was discussed. I have never seen one example. This is mostly made up political BS IMHO.


    There was a time when some of this was prominent. It isn't anymore.
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    I always get in trouble with polly I think the Metoo movement has done alot of good, proof of that some of the most prolific rapists and abusers and pedophilles in hollywood have been exposed and are being criminally investigated, No one can argue with those results.

    BUT!!! theres always a but, there have been people merely accused with no proof that have been vilified and in some cases removed from their jobs before they have been proven guilty. That is a seriously bad precedent convicting people merely on accusations.

    The easiest thing in the world is to accuse someone of a sex crime when theres just the two of you with no witness' we cant get into allowing that to destroy careers and lives without some kind of proof. NO we cant just accept every womans word that he did this or that because we know that its not always the truth. Unfortunately women lie as much and at least as often as men.

    The metoo movement is a good thing that can turn bad unless its controlled and doesnt go overboard.
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    Common wrote:
    BUT!!! theres always a but,
    No, there's really not.

    there have been people merely accused with no proof that have been vilified and in some cases removed from their jobs before they have been proven guilty. That is a seriously bad precedent convicting people merely on accusations.
    Absolute proof (which you, as a former police officer, know good and well is rarely possible to supply for such things) is for a criminal conviction in a court of law, not the mere prospect of unemployment. Reasonable suspicion is grounds for employment termination as far as I, and most of the American public, are concerned because, as you can see in the survey results highlighted about, fully the majority of Americans can say me too, it would appear.

    At least as compellingly, why would someone make up claims like these? What motive could one possibly have? Many if not most of those who have laid such claims have wound up terminated themselves as well as revenge for saying anything and face a lifetime of online harassment, death threats, and doxxing as a result. Where's the incentive you're hinting at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    No, there's really not.



    Absolute proof (which you, as a former police officer, know good and well is rarely possible to supply for such things) is for a criminal conviction in a court of law, not the mere prospect of unemployment. Reasonable suspicion is grounds for employment termination as far as I, and most of the American public, are concerned because, as you can see in the survey results highlighted about, fully the majority of Americans can say me too, it would appear.

    At least as compellingly, why would someone make up claims like these? What motive could one possibly have? Many if not most of those who have laid such claims have wound up terminated themselves as well as revenge for saying anything and face a lifetime of online harassment, death threats, and doxxing as a result. Where's the incentive you're hinting at?
    As an example, I think Anita Hill made up her story about Clarence Thomas. It didn't pass the smell test. I think it happens for political reasons to scuttle an opponent.
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    If half of the claims are legitimate, I would be surprised.
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    Peter wrote:
    As an example, I think Anita Hill made up her story about Clarence Thomas.
    There's the end of your credibility on this issue in my book.

    I think it happens for political reasons to scuttle an opponent.
    At your own expense?

    And how do you explain the fact that the allegations against government officials are usually by people who worked for them on campaigns and in office and such, i.e. people who had been politically aligned with those they were accusing, not political opponents?

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    Unfortunately for all concerned, rape and sexual assault - things people should absolutely be going to prison for - are being comingled and conflated, in the rhetoric coming out of this movement, with sexual harassment, gender discrimination, wage inequity, etc., etc. Moral monsters like Weinstein appear on the same lists, and are spoken of in the same breath, as guys who told a couple of dirty jokes in the wrong company and touched a woman's back once...or whose agent got them more money to re-shoot some film scenes than a woman got paid. Is it any wonder there has been a backlash, when this totally unfocused "message" seems to be something along the lines of "Piss off a woman in any way and you're the bad guy"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    There's the end of your credibility on this issue in my book.



    At your own expense?

    And how do you explain the fact that the allegations against government officials are usually by people who worked for them on campaigns and in office and such, i.e. people who had been politically aligned with those they were accusing, not political opponents?
    Her allegations were ridiculous. Forget everything else- what she said he did was simply unbelievable.

    I imagine her bank account got a bump when she came forward only at the right time.
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    I have tried lots of rape cases. I know how complicated these issues are. And I have a good feel for real v fake allegations.
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