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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    You are speaking for the sake of speaking, I just said that the terminology that she used did not matter to the argument she was making. It's like someone saying motherboard when talking about a computer.
    No, I am speaking in response to your wacky argument. Motherboard/computer just as sloppy.
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    Father suspected in fatal shooting of 14-year-old, SAPD says


    By the OP argument we should prevent all fathers from owning guns, hell, play it safe, prevent all parents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    No, I am speaking in response to your wacky argument. Motherboard/computer just as sloppy.
    It's ok to just stop digging when the hole is deep enough. You're stumped on a rebuttal because any admittance to what is obvious will constitute admitting to hypocrisy. You know it, I know it, the board knows it. There is no logical case to be made why an equation used in one argument and is considered valid, should be rendered invalid when used in the same manner in a different argument.
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    It's ok to just stop digging when the hole is deep enough. You're stumped on a rebuttal because any admittance to what is obvious will constitute admitting to hypocrisy. You know it, I know it, the board knows it. There is no logical case to be made why an equation used in one argument and is considered valid, should be rendered invalid when used in the same manner in a different argument.
    You've only shown Who's case of sloppy language. It's one thing to generalize from a single case, but to declare tu quoque hypocrisy about only one is stretching it a bit. If I'm stumped it's because you make not a lick of sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Father suspected in fatal shooting of 14-year-old, SAPD says


    By the OP argument we should prevent all fathers from owning guns, hell, play it safe, prevent all parents.

    McManus said it appears the 43-year-old man fired, or tried to fire, a number of weapons. It appeared, however, his teenage son was hit only one time.

    “A shotgun, looks like an AR, pistol, ammunition. A variety of weapons,” he said. “There were a lot of shell casings. There were jammed weapons. There were live rounds on the floor.”
    Seems to be that if the father didn't have the guns, the teen would be alive. Kinda hard to have an accidental stabbing.
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Gun-trained teacher accidentally discharges firearm in Calif. classroom, injuring student
    The gun didn't injure the student, falling debris from the ceiling did. Lets ban ceiling tiles.


    Most likely the first of many if we attempt to arm educators.
    The gun didn't injure the student, falling debris from the ceiling did. Lets ban ceiling tiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You've only shown Who's case of sloppy language. It's one thing to generalize from a single case, but to declare tu quoque hypocrisy about only one is stretching it a bit. If I'm stumped it's because you make not a lick of sense.
    Still digging.

    The fact of the matter is that @Bo-4 mentioned semantics being used in these types of arguments, you denied that, I provided proof of such, and now you are doing mental gymnastics to argue something that is indefensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Gun-trained teacher accidentally discharges firearm in Calif. classroom, injuring student

    Most likely the first of many if we attempt to arm educators.
    Isn't this a bit like saying that because the school resource officer in Parkland cowered outside, we shouldn't have cops at schools?

    The reserve officer (councilman and teacher) in your story certainly did not follow protocol, and should be disciplined. However, that does not speak to the programs that have yet to even be instituted. How many accidents have happened in districts where they have implemented programs that allow teachers, or other school employees to carry on campus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    So, how many shootings the the 1984 assault weapons ban lead to?
    What? There have been no school or other mass shooting committed with an assault weapon, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    I am gonna hafta question you "logic" here. The point of the OP is that the solution is most likely worse than the problem, in other words having more guns in schools will lead to more shootings not less.

    Please tell me how, in your opinion, that is what happened with the 1984 assault weapons ban. Did it lead to more shootings instead of less? If so, by what mechanism?

    "defina an assault weapon" is nothing more than an attempt to derail the conversation. Please stop.
    Asking you to define an assault weapon is an attempt to determine if you have the slightest clue of what you are talking about.

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