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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Gee @Chris, you mean like banning the sale of semi-auto rifles? Or raising the purchasing age? or any one of the other solutions you and others have poohooed because they aren't perfect?

    Well I got news for you: Those policies will almost certainly lead to less shootings, not more, as arming teachers will.
    My shotgun is a semi-automatic, should we ban that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    So, how many shootings the the 1984 assault weapons ban lead to?
    According to the logic of the OP, it didn't stop all, or even many, so it's not perfect and ought to be abandoned.


    Can you even define assault weapon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    According to the logic of the OP, it didn't stop all, or even many, so it's not perfect and ought to be abandoned.


    Can you even define assault weapon?
    I am gonna hafta question you "logic" here. The point of the OP is that the solution is most likely worse than the problem, in other words having more guns in schools will lead to more shootings not less.

    Please tell me how, in your opinion, that is what happened with the 1984 assault weapons ban. Did it lead to more shootings instead of less? If so, by what mechanism?

    "defina an assault weapon" is nothing more than an attempt to derail the conversation. Please stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    My shotgun is a semi-automatic, should we ban that?
    Definitely. That's one of the least sporting hunting guns ever invented. Learn to shoot better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    I am gonna hafta question you "logic" here. The point of the OP is that the solution is most likely worse than the problem, in other words having more guns in schools will lead to more shootings not less.

    Please tell me how, in your opinion, that is what happened with the 1984 assault weapons ban. Did it lead to more shootings instead of less? If so, by what mechanism?

    "defina an assault weapon" is nothing more than an attempt to derail the conversation. Please stop.


    the solution is most likely worse than the problem
    Generalizing from a single case?


    If you actually read the story, it was an accidental discharge, into the ceiling, and a fragment richocheted and hit a kids neck. An unfortunate accident.




    Shootings continued during the ban, already said that.



    So you want to ban something you cannot define.
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    Defining the terms of discussion is an attempt to derail the discussion.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Definitely. That's one of the least sporting hunting guns ever invented. Learn to shoot better.
    On record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Gee @Chris, you mean like banning the sale of semi-auto rifles? Or raising the purchasing age? or any one of the other solutions you and others have poohooed because they aren't perfect?

    Well I got news for you: Those policies will almost certainly lead to less shootings, not more, as arming teachers will.
    Should we ban semi-auto pistols too? Why stop now? lol
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    Notice that when an assassin opened-fire on an (R) baseball practice killing and maiming (R) NRA boot-lickers ... nothing happened ... this should frighten every one ... literally condoning mass-murder and massacres ....


    Steve Scalise uses Sandy Hook massacre like Charleton Heston did after Columbine ...









    Steve Scalise uses the Vega Massacre and his own now permanent disabilities from gunshot injuries like CPAC does after ever massacre ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Versus the untrained teacher who just had to resort to his girth to protect his students.
    Agreed. As a lover of history, I'm reminded of the Luddites in England and the first auto accident in the US.

    http://gothamist.com/2012/05/14/nycs...n_1896_inv.php
    Grover Cleveland was in the White House and we could pick up laudanum without a prescription to cure what ailed us, but cyclists were still running afoul of pedestrians and motorists. New York City's first automobile accident occurred on May 30, 1896, when Henry Wells of Springfield, Massachusetts, struck cyclist Ebeling Thomas on the "Western Boulevard" (better known to us as Broadway).
    The Times reports that Wells was operating a "horseless wagon" in a "horseless wagon race" bound north, and that Thomas was riding south when, according to witnesses, "the motorman of the horseless wagon seemed to lose control of the wagon, which ran zig-zag and thus confused the bicyclist." Thomas suffered a fractured leg, and Wells was "locked up" in the police station at West 125th Street. The article is refreshingly devoid of the phrase "no criminality suspected."
    "Five reckless riders" on Broadway, two of whom were riding on a tandem bike, were also arrested (arrested!) for "riding faster than the law permits." The report notes that they were "warned by Patrolman Gilles of the bicycle corps, but they paid no attention." Two more cyclists were nabbed for speeding downtown, one at 14th Street and Second Avenue. Magistrate Crane, in addition to fining the men $3, "gave the scorchers a severe lecture."
    "Some of you people think that no one has a right in the street but yourselves. I know I have had to run for my life to get out of the way of reckless bicycle riders."
    Presumably Magistrate Crane added, "Damn hipsters."
    The first fatal car accident in New York (and possibly in the country—the first reported auto accident in the US was in Ohio in 1891) occurred on September 13, 1899, when H.H. Bliss, a "real estate dealer" was hit by a car as he exited a trolly on West 74th Street and Central Park West, known as the "Dangerous Stretch." According to the Times' report, the car veered after a truck blocked its path, "and the two wheels of the cab passed over [Bliss'] head and body. His skull and chest were crushed." The driver was placed under arrest shortly after the incident. Read the entire source articles below.

    If we follow the advice and line of logic in the OP, automobiles would have been banned immediately.
    "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."
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