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    The first incident

    Gun-trained teacher accidentally discharges firearm in Calif. classroom, injuring student

    Most likely the first of many if we attempt to arm educators.
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    Versus the untrained teacher who just had to resort to his girth to protect his students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Versus the untrained teacher who just had to resort to his girth to protect his students.
    Agreed. As a lover of history, I'm reminded of the Luddites in England and the first auto accident in the US.

    http://gothamist.com/2012/05/14/nycs...n_1896_inv.php
    Grover Cleveland was in the White House and we could pick up laudanum without a prescription to cure what ailed us, but cyclists were still running afoul of pedestrians and motorists. New York City's first automobile accident occurred on May 30, 1896, when Henry Wells of Springfield, Massachusetts, struck cyclist Ebeling Thomas on the "Western Boulevard" (better known to us as Broadway).
    The Times reports that Wells was operating a "horseless wagon" in a "horseless wagon race" bound north, and that Thomas was riding south when, according to witnesses, "the motorman of the horseless wagon seemed to lose control of the wagon, which ran zig-zag and thus confused the bicyclist." Thomas suffered a fractured leg, and Wells was "locked up" in the police station at West 125th Street. The article is refreshingly devoid of the phrase "no criminality suspected."
    "Five reckless riders" on Broadway, two of whom were riding on a tandem bike, were also arrested (arrested!) for "riding faster than the law permits." The report notes that they were "warned by Patrolman Gilles of the bicycle corps, but they paid no attention." Two more cyclists were nabbed for speeding downtown, one at 14th Street and Second Avenue. Magistrate Crane, in addition to fining the men $3, "gave the scorchers a severe lecture."
    "Some of you people think that no one has a right in the street but yourselves. I know I have had to run for my life to get out of the way of reckless bicycle riders."
    Presumably Magistrate Crane added, "Damn hipsters."
    The first fatal car accident in New York (and possibly in the country—the first reported auto accident in the US was in Ohio in 1891) occurred on September 13, 1899, when H.H. Bliss, a "real estate dealer" was hit by a car as he exited a trolly on West 74th Street and Central Park West, known as the "Dangerous Stretch." According to the Times' report, the car veered after a truck blocked its path, "and the two wheels of the cab passed over [Bliss'] head and body. His skull and chest were crushed." The driver was placed under arrest shortly after the incident. Read the entire source articles below.

    If we follow the advice and line of logic in the OP, automobiles would have been banned immediately.


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    IOW, if the solution in and of itself is not the one single perfect solution then it would not be a solution at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    IOW, if the solution in and of itself is not the one single perfect solution then it would not be a solution at all?
    Gee @Chris, you mean like banning the sale of semi-auto rifles? Or raising the purchasing age? or any one of the other solutions you and others have poohooed because they aren't perfect?

    Well I got news for you: Those policies will almost certainly lead to less shootings, not more, as arming teachers will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Gee @Chris, you mean like banning the sale of semi-auto rifles? Or raising the purchasing age? or any one of the other solutions you and others have poohooed because they aren't perfect?

    Well I got news for you: Those policies will almost certainly lead to less shootings, not more, as arming teachers will.

    Right, using the logic of the OP, none of the solutions you advocate are perfect, so they should be abandoned.


    Those policies will almost certainly lead to less shootings, not more, as arming teachers will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Right, using the logic of the OP, none of the solutions you advocate are perfect, so they should be abandoned.




    Like so many lefties, big claim, no argument.
    So, how many shootings the the 1984 assault weapons ban lead to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    So, how many shootings the the 1984 assault weapons ban lead to?
    According to the logic of the OP, it didn't stop all, or even many, so it's not perfect and ought to be abandoned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    So, how many shootings the the 1984 assault weapons ban lead to?
    Did it prevent any? Did they decrease because of the ban?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    So, how many shootings the the 1984 assault weapons ban lead to?
    What? There have been no school or other mass shooting committed with an assault weapon, ever.

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