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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I cannot recall mentioning nuclear war. But in every war, the enemy gets a vote on its progression.

    Economic and cyber warfare are warfare. If we are prepared to conduct lower levels of war we ought to prepare ourselves to conduct the war to win it.
    If we enter into a shooting war with Russia, where would it end up? Nuclear confrontation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    If we enter into a shooting war with Russia, where would it end up? Nuclear confrontation...
    No one can predict how a war will go.

    If you follow Clausewitz you may see his approach to total war. Why aren't all wars total wars? We know almost no wars become total wars. Why would Russia's war with us have a nuclear phase?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Cyber attacks on our electrical grid are war acts. One does not win a war by imposing sanctions.
    I expect that Russia is less vulnerable to cyber attacks than we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    No one can predict how a war will go.

    If you follow Clausewitz you may see his approach to total war. Why aren't all wars total wars? We know almost no wars become total wars. Why would Russia's war with us have a nuclear phase?
    Wars between world powers , not proxy wars, always become total wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I expect that Russia is less vulnerable to cyber attacks than we are.
    Maybe. Maybe not. I have almost no insights into our collection against Russian networks and cyber attacks. I know it is commonly believed they are less vulnerable. One need not take down the entire nation in order to win. One need only take away the things the enemy regime holds most valuable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    Wars between world powers, not proxy wars, always become total wars.
    Well, no. I believe the opposite is true. We have experienced very few total wars in all of history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Well, no.
    Example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    No one can predict how a war will go.

    If you follow Clausewitz you may see his approach to total war. Why aren't all wars total wars? We know almost no wars become total wars. Why would Russia's war with us have a nuclear phase?
    Wars of necessity are always total war.

    We have not fought a war of necessity since WWII (disregarding the argument that we did not need to get involved.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Wars of necessity are always total war.

    We have not fought a war of necessity since WWII (disregarding the argument that we did not need to get involved.)
    We disagree. We have had almost no total wars in the history of warfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    Example.
    In all of recorded history, we have had almost no total wars.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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