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    The Feminist Gender Wars Begin

    The UK Labour Party is becoming sharply divided over the impact of the government's proposed Gender Recognition Act, as some 500 feminists and allies recently met in secret to discuss the policy effects while prominent men associated with the party organized harassment campaigns against them. The proposed Gender Recognition Act would allow people to legally identify themselves as a different gender without needing to undergo medical checks, which in turn would make it easier for men to pose as women for access to private, female-only spaces. Additionally, Labour recently announced that self-identification as female is enough to get on all-women shortlists for parliamentary selections; a change that reduces female representation in the party. The feminists meeting in secret describe it as but the first in a series of such gatherings leading to the establishment of what they call "a new women's liberation movement" later this year.

    If the late 1970s and early '80s featured what were known as the feminist sex wars -- a polarized conflict between radical and liberal feminists over whether sexual relationships should be examined for misogynistic content -- then this development appears to mark the formal beginning of what might be called the feminist gender wars between the same camps: a conflict emerging as fundamental over whether one's gender (as contrasted with one's biological sex) is innate or instead a social construct that mostly benefits men at the expense of women. The liberals insist that one's gender is innate and biological sex a construct, while the radicals contend the opposite: that one's sex is innate and gender a construct.

    I suppose one might conversely argue that such a war against "cis" (i.e. real) women has been going on for a number of years already, complete with extensive censorship of all who question the notion of innate gender, but I'm generously characterizing this as the formal beginning of the culture war in this area in the sense that this development marks the first campaign of organized pushback to exist offline that I'm aware of, and thus it is now starting to become a slightly less one-sided conflict than it has been up to now. It will probably spread to many other countries. This could be an important, even defining, development in the history of the women's movement. I've already explained which side of this dispute I'm on, personally.
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    I think the UK should be focused on important issues. Such as a hostile power assassinating people on its territory.

    This gender issue is just for the media and a distraction for citizens.
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    The proposed Gender Recognition Act would allow people to legally identify themselves as a different gender without needing to undergo medical checks, which in turn would make it easier for men to pose as women for access to private, female-only spaces.

    Every action has a reaction, nothing is 100% flawless

    Just like transexuals in womens bathrooms, allows pedophilles and rapists to pose as transexuals and have easy untethered access to their prey.

    This genderless, transexual society progressives are trying to create are for less than 1% of the population at the expense of the rest
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    The lunacy marches on. What a weird time we live in.

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    War? Gender wars? I don't think the OP knows what war is. People die in wars.
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    St. James wrote:
    War? Gender wars? I don't think the OP knows what war is. People die in wars.
    *sighs* You know what I meant.

    This post just illustrates once more that you are a dishonest contributor. Even on an issue where we clearly agree in principle, you HAVE to respond in a hostile way anyway simply because you are responding to someone you hate: me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    The UK Labour Party is becoming sharply divided over the impact of the government's proposed Gender Recognition Act, as some 500 feminists and allies recently met in secret to discuss the policy effects while prominent men associated with the party organized harassment campaigns against them. The proposed Gender Recognition Act would allow people to legally identify themselves as a different gender without needing to undergo medical checks, which in turn would make it easier for men to pose as women for access to private, female-only spaces. Additionally, Labour recently announced that self-identification as female is enough to get on all-women shortlists for parliamentary selections; a change that reduces female representation in the party. The feminists meeting in secret describe it as but the first in a series of such gatherings leading to the establishment of what they call "a new women's liberation movement" later this year.

    If the late 1970s and early '80s featured what were known as the feminist sex wars -- a polarized conflict between radical and liberal feminists over whether sexual relationships should be examined for misogynistic content -- then this development appears to mark the formal beginning of what might be called the feminist gender wars between the same camps: a conflict emerging as fundamental over whether one's gender (as contrasted with one's biological sex) is innate or instead a social construct that mostly benefits men at the expense of women. The liberals insist that one's gender is innate and biological sex a construct, while the radicals contend the opposite: that one's sex is innate and gender a construct.

    I suppose one might conversely argue that such a war against "cis" (i.e. real) women has been going on for a number of years already, complete with extensive censorship of all who question the notion of innate gender, but I'm generously characterizing this as the formal beginning of the culture war in this area in the sense that this development marks the first campaign of organized pushback to exist offline that I'm aware of, and thus it is now starting to become a slightly less one-sided conflict than it has been up to now. It will probably spread to many other countries. This could be an important, even defining, development in the history of the women's movement. I've already explained which side of this dispute I'm on, personally.

    "Female only shortlist" for parliament sounds like really blatant gender discrimination to me. Kiss high level female sports good bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
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    Hmmm. Rabbit stew...
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    donttread wrote:
    "Female only shortlist" for parliament sounds like really blatant gender discrimination to me.
    That the British parliament has forever been majority-male (currently 68% male to be specific, and traditionally more so) because the parties all field mostly male candidates for public office is what seems sexist to me.

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