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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    As much was a response I found amusing, if not predictable, for I am always, whenever I propose that pornography be banned, told that "the answer to free speech is more speech". And yet when I propose the answer of more speech (here: education) instead...it gets the same response!! Shocking, isn't it?
    In other words, your speech is met with speech. Not really shocking at all. That's the entire point of free speech. But instead of relying on voluntary persuasion, you want to use the coercive powers of the state to limit how other adults express themselves artistically, intellectually, sexually, etc. Ironic, since the ostensible basis on which you object to rape is the presence of coercion.

    It turns out that the male defenders of this kazillion-dollar industry aren't actually supportive of free speech so much as a misogynist enterprise that caters to their every whim at the social expense of women as a group. Only the industry should be allowed to speak, as far as they are concerned; never its critics! More speech is off-limits too, it turns out. Let's see just how far they are willing to go in the defense of their constitutional right to masturbate to the physical abuse of women (and yes, @The Xl, 94% of all violent acts in online pornography are directed specifically towards a female party). Are you willing to defend actual rape, for example?

    That's right! Many of those "rough" scenes you view are NOT simulations, but actual rape! Here's a recent example of some profile that has made the rounds online: in the video below, a porn performer verbally describes, in great detail, her recent experience on a "Just Dave" set (which turns out to be connected to the site Facial Abuse) wherein the few terms she agreed to (and you will easily be able to tell that this is a woman who hates herself, as you really have to be to work in a field like that) were blatantly violated again and again throughout the scene:



    I find it particularly interesting that this scene, as described, was specifically intended to convey a message to feminists, with the young woman being required to wear a shirt that reads "FEMINIST" and asked, throughout the shoot, questions like "What has feminism ever done for black people?" and hit every time she tried to answer. Subtle political messaging, isn't it? (I have no doubt that there probably is indeed quite a market for that sort of material here on this web site.)

    Anyway, she points out that, by the end of the shoot, she had a vaginal tear and a bruised cervix because the men had ignored the minimal terms of her contract. Another performer joins the video to describe a similar experience of her own.

    This type of phenomenon is not uncommon. A large percentage of the porn movies available online are, like the one described at length in the above video, actual rape, and it's often impossible for the viewer to tell whether what they're watching is consensual or not because pornography graphically simulating rape is legal and common. Something to bear in mind the next time you decide to masturbate to this sort of material. But maybe actual rape is okay with you too, as long as it gets you off? Just how far are you guys willing to take you're self-obsessed defense of this industry?
    If those women were raped, then they should go to the authorities. If I had my way, rapists would be sentenced to life in prison without parole.
    Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Kinda funny but most of the comments above display a confused lack of empathy, just sayin....

    While a bit off topic, 'The Daily Show' had a comic skit on sex dolls which lead me to Google names and view some youtubes. Richardson was in the piece as was Matt McMullen who are in top two videos. If you are a movie buff see M.F.A., a 'B' flick but it covers the topic (rape). Not for the squeamish. But you soon find that opinions are all over the place and Kate Devlin is just one example.

    RealDoll’s first sex robot took me to the uncanny valley | Computer Love



    'Robots and ethics: the future of sex | Kathleen Richardson'



    'Sex Robots | Kate Devlin | TEDxWarwick'



    "If you worship money and things, if they are where you tap real meaning in life, then you will never have enough, never feel you have enough. It's the truth. Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly. And when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally grieve you. On one level, we all know this stuff already. It's been codified as myths, proverbs, cliches, epigrams, parables; the skeleton of every great story. The whole trick is keeping the truth up front in daily consciousness." David Foster Wallace
    Women don't want to be noticed in a sexual way, especially at work. Never mind how much they spent or what they wear to look good and be noticed. Therefore sex dolls may be the perfect long term answer. Forget real women until you are ready to settle down and then meet them by website with a contract stating how far things are allowed to go on each successive date in advance.
    If the guy comes home in "dry hump hell" he can always breakout the sex doll until the real woman is ready. But guys listen to long term married men. You might want to put the sex doll away after you get married but do not throw her a way because in a few years you WILL need her again!

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    The XL wrote:
    It's disturbing to be sure, but these women agreed to it.
    DGUtley wrote:
    As the father of two adult professional highly educated doctoral medical daughters, these things disgust. Nonetheless, these women signed iron-clad consent forms and voluntarily engaged in consensual activities.
    *bangs head against the wall*

    You people don't read anything I write, do you? You didn't watch any of the video, did you? Because if you had, you would already know that MY WHOOOOOOLE POINT in the OP was that the contracts of these women were violated over and over again in the course of the filming, i.e. this was ACTUAL rape, NOT simulated rape. And that this phenomenon happens a lot in the pornography business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I think porn is dangerous to young kids that have access to it 24/7 especially the deviant porn.
    So is booze, cigs, etc .

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    *bangs head against the wall*

    You people don't read anything I write, do you? You didn't watch any of the video, did you? Because if you had, you would already know that MY WHOOOOOOLE POINT in the OP was that the contracts of these women were violated over and over again in the course of the filming, i.e. this was ACTUAL rape, NOT simulated rape. And that this phenomenon happens a lot in the pornography business.
    Then they should report the rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    In other words, your speech is met with speech. Not really shocking at all. That's the entire point of free speech. But instead of relying on voluntary persuasion, you want to use the coercive powers of the state to limit how other adults express themselves artistically, intellectually, sexually, etc. Ironic, since the ostensible basis on which you object to rape is the presence of coercion.



    If those women were raped, then they should go to the authorities. If I had my way, rapists would be sentenced to life in prison without parole.

    Ban porn?" So men can't look at mini skirts at work but can have outlets either? Somebody wants total control it appears

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    In other words, your speech is met with speech. Not really shocking at all. That's the entire point of free speech. But instead of relying on voluntary persuasion, you want to use the coercive powers of the state to limit how other adults express themselves artistically, intellectually, sexually, etc. Ironic, since the ostensible basis on which you object to rape is the presence of coercion.



    If those women were raped, then they should go to the authorities. If I had my way, rapists would be sentenced to life in prison without parole.

    I swear Polly I listened to her driveling on as long as I could. But me think she speak with forked ton. First of all probably a bad career choice for someone with this "condition" of hers. Secondly if she was blowing the guy and he got to rough BITE! Thirdly I couldn't listen anymore although I did note she took more racism from blacks than she agreed to.
    What makes her believable to you? You hate porn and want her story to be true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Then they should report the rape.
    My guess is they chose not to because they realized how hard the police would probably laugh if a porn star told them she was raped on set.
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    donttread wrote:
    Then they should report the rape.
    They have reported it. And made it public knowledge by detailing their experiences on YouTube for the whole world to see, as you may have noticed in the OP.

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    Standing Wolf wrote:
    One of the best films I've seen in the recent past, Wind River, contained a violent, somewhat graphic and certainly ugly rape scene. I can recall other films that had similar scenes in them - scenes that, as shocking as they were, were important to the story being told. Then you get into the whole "artistic purposes" vs. "prurient interest" argument. I don't know...like the great majority of men, rape and sexual violence holds zero appeal to me as entertainment, but as long as no actual laws are violated in the making of such things I can't find any legal justification for forbidding it.
    We're talking about pornography, Standing Wolf, not regular movies wherein the inclusion of a rape scene might have some artistic merit. We're more specifically talking about actual, not simulated, rape taking place on the sets. Just making sure we're on the same page here because the above seems like a straw man argument to me.

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