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    The Wing Investigated For Discrimination

    The New York’s Human Rights Commission is investigating a claim that The Wing, a private club founded in 2016 as a work space and networking hub exclusively for women, violates the city’s anti-discrimination law by barring men.

    Can we have NOTHING that is our own? It's not enough that men are demanding access to our restrooms, locker rooms, sports teams, etc. on the mere claim of being female.

    The whole point of The Wing is to provide a space where women can work and network without having to worry about things like sexual harassment or discrimination. The Wing was created as a modern take on the women's clubs of the 19th and early 20th centuries that enabled women to organize for the right to vote and more. In those days, most public organizations and spaces excluded women and women were often forbidden to go out in public without a male chaperone. While formal exclusion of women from public places is less common today, most accommodations are still majority-male and almost all are run by men to this very day, and there exists a sense that said situation is no longer growing more equitable. To judge by the fact that The Wing has had a waiting list since before the first branch opened its doors two years ago and also by the fact that they are adding new branches outside of New York City, clearly there is high demand for such private, safe spaces for women. If men are allowed in, the entire purpose is defeated!

    In the UK, they have such a concept as positive discrimination, which is legal, to protect institutions similar to this that are exclusionary of groups that, more largely, are socially dominant in order to move society closer to a place of equitable treatment overall. Clearly we need to recognize the validity of that concept here!

    The University of Vermont -- the place where I attended college -- hosted a women-only debate tournament this weekend to give women a break from the sexism they often experience in mixed debates:

    "There is also a lot of sexual predation that happens in the debate community," said UVM debate director Helen Morgan-Parmett. "The tournament, I think, provides a safe space where people feel they are debating other women, and their bodies aren't necessarily on display."

    College debating is one of the few intercollegiate competitive activities in which women and men compete directly against one another. While some women do win, the debaters say they have to be that much better than men to overcome bias on the part of many judges. And they point to statistics that show they are less likely to reach the top echelons of the activity.

    "Like with a lot of collegiate activities, debate has a tendency to be male-dominated," said UVM sophomore debater Miranda Zigler, of Boston.
    Organizers hope to keep the tournament an annual event. How long can it last before discrimination against men is disingenuously claimed?
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    This is the sort of thing feminists would complain about if the discrimination were against women.

    It's a private club though, and I think they can discriminate. States may vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    The New York’s Human Rights Commission is investigating a claim that The Wing, a private club founded in 2016 as a work space and networking hub exclusively for women, violates the city’s anti-discrimination law by barring men.

    Can we have NOTHING that is our own? It's not enough that men are demanding access to our restrooms, locker rooms, sports teams, etc. on the mere claim of being female.

    The whole point of The Wing is to provide a space where women can work and network without having to worry about things like sexual harassment or discrimination. The Wing was created as a modern take on the women's clubs of the 19th and early 20th centuries that enabled women to organize for the right to vote and more. In those days, most public organizations and spaces excluded women and women were often forbidden to go out in public without a male chaperone. While formal exclusion of women from public places is less common today, most accommodations are still majority-male and almost all are run by men to this very day, and there exists a sense that said situation is no longer growing more equitable. To judge by the fact that The Wing has had a waiting list since before the first branch opened its doors two years ago and also by the fact that they are adding new branches outside of New York City, clearly there is high demand for such private, safe spaces for women. If men are allowed in, the entire purpose is defeated!

    In the UK, they have such a concept as positive discrimination, which is legal, to protect institutions similar to this that are exclusionary of groups that, more largely, are socially dominant in order to move society closer to a place of equitable treatment overall. Clearly we need to recognize the validity of that concept here!

    The University of Vermont -- the place where I attended college -- hosted a women-only debate tournament this weekend to give women a break from the sexism they often experience in mixed debates:


    Organizers hope to keep the tournament an annual event. How long can it last before discrimination against men is disingenuously claimed?
    relax, Polly, you're already doing it
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    I imagine the State will rule in the Wing's favor. Generally public accommodation laws do not apply to private clubs.
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    Can we have NOTHING that is our own? It's not enough that men are demanding access to our restrooms, locker rooms, sports teams, etc. on the mere claim of being female.
    ...as you state that men have no right to their own space.............. and you scream about equality, a thing that does not exist
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    Lots of golf clubs were men only; I believe they changed their policies because of public pressure, not government action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Lots of golf clubs were men only; I believe they changed their policies because of public pressure, not government action.
    correct. There is no law against private clubs..........
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    How many male only organizations have been forced to admit women under threat of legal action?

    A lot.

    Polly just hates it when the same standard that is applied to everyone else is also applied to her. I think there should be men's clubs and women's clubs. The Boy Scouts should be for boys and the Girl Scouts for girls, but I would be willing to bet that when men's clubs were being forced to integrate, Polly was right there waving her pom poms demanding they admit women.
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    Sigh...

    Having male chaperones for young ladies defeats the purpose of having a chaperone. In some cultures, young ladies (this was a bourgeois thing) would be chaperoned by older, married women but only in places where they were likely to meet a man (i.e. a romantic interest).

    Quite frankly, considering Polly's fear of being taken advantage of a chaperone might be a good idea for her.
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    No comment on the blatant hypocrisy. That has been covered.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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