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    It's a completely phony vote. Symbolism doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    It's a completely phony vote. Symbolism doesn't work.
    Getting Demos on the record.....there is nothing phony about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Getting Demos on the record.....there is nothing phony about that.
    Like I said. A true conservative would be on record as opposing a balanced budget amendment if it can be used to say tax increases are mandatory.

    The BBA issue is a fraud. It's a scam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
    Yes, its the dichotomy! Two sides to the same coin! Both parties work for the same master!
    Everyone works for the same master: Money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Like I said. A true conservative would be on record as opposing a balanced budget amendment if it can be used to say tax increases are mandatory.

    The BBA issue is a fraud. It's a scam.
    If it were combined with a maximum tax rate of, say, 10%, would you support it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalkin View Post
    If it were combined with a maximum tax rate of, say, 10%, would you support it?
    No.

    The only way I would support a BBA is if it mandated that spending cuts are required to achieve a balanced budget. Plus any proposed increase in taxes needs a 60% majority in both houses of the congress.


    If there was a straight up balanced budget amendment, the congress would never achieve it through cutting spending. It would only be used as a way to say tax increases are mandated by law.


    We need to get spending under control. We need to limit the ability to increase taxes. We need to limit the ability to increase spending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    No.

    The only way I would support a BBA is if it mandated that spending cuts are required to achieve a balanced budget. Plus any proposed increase in taxes needs a 60% majority in both houses of the congress.
    If the law stated that taxation could be no more than 10% and spending must fall within that revenue stream, cutting spending would be the only legal option to balance the budget as I see it. Or growing the economy so the 10% would be a greater amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The House of Representatives will vote on a constitutional amendment meant to address Congress’s fiscal irresponsibility, an issue that continually irks conservatives.


    However, The Hill stated that the amendment is very unlikely to garner the support required for addition to the Constitution: “The measure has virtually no chance of becoming law as it would need Democratic support in the Senate and ratification from the majority of states.”.....snip~


    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/alexni...ution-n2468584


    Okay.....you have to give Ryan some credit with this. He knows this won't pass. As the Demos and Rinos wont be supporting it. But it is a smart move as the blame will fall on the Democrats. Which then all can use this for the election along with Pelosi saying they will raise taxes on people. Double whammy for the Demos to deal with. As all know Demos do nothing but spend money while claiming they will bring down the deficit. What say ye?
    Agreed on Ryan getting credit for proving the Democrats are against fiscal responsibility. The Republicans need some wins on their side prior to November. Even though this probably won't pass, at least the Republican can use it as proof that Democrats are still the same old "tax and spend" liberals we've seen for decades.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalkin View Post
    If the law stated that taxation could be no more than 10% and spending must fall within that revenue stream, cutting spending would be the only legal option to balance the budget as I see it. Or growing the economy so the 10% would be a greater amount.
    It's been awhile since I did the calculations, but I do not see how we can pay our bills, including debt, and fund even a downsized Federal government for less than a 20% flat tax, no deductions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    It's been awhile since I did the calculations, but I do not see how we can pay our bills, including debt, and fund even a downsized Federal government for less than a 20% flat tax, no deductions.
    Downsize further. We have around 430 executive branch independent agencies. Only of few of them have a Constitutional basis. Terminate the smallest ones. And cut the rest by 10% each year until they are gone.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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