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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I can't speak to showers, but women have been sharing toilets with trans people since I can remember. Those with beards and/or a masculine appearance used the men's room regardless of biological sex. The ladylike used the ladies room. It was never a problem. TBH I really don't care who is doing their business in a restroom stall, so long as they don't leave a mess and wash their hands. Women are not running around in a state of undress outside of the stalls.
    God, I hate the Left.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    God, I hate the Left.
    You seem to hate a lot of things.

    Frankly, I don't know how you can leave the house with all those liberals, transsexuals and Muslims everywhere scheming against you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    You seem to hate a lot of things.

    Frankly, I don't know how you can leave the house with all those liberals, transsexuals and Muslims everywhere scheming against you.
    I think the Left sums it up.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I think the Left sums it up.
    Ah right, your catch all for anything you don't like.

    It it must be tough living in so much fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    God, I hate the Left.
    Why? Because we don't get hyperbolic about bodily functions or think that putting laws around bathrooms will make the least bit of difference to deviant predators?
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    MisterVeritis wrote:
    "Voters in Alaska's largest city have become the first in the U.S. to defeat a so-called bathroom bill referendum that asked them to require people to use public bathrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender at birth."

    "Currently 19 states plus the District of Columbia include gender identity as a protected class in statewide public accommodations laws, according to Colorado-based Family Policy Alliance, a public policy partner of the conservative Focus on the Family organization. Researcher Autumn Stroup said in an email that tracking city regulations is more complicated."

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/anchorage-voters-nation-reject-bathroom-bill-54411566
    Anchorage voters want men dressed as women to piss with women. To shower with women.

    Isn't that just peachy?
    Actually, I recommend not worrying too much about this development. The polling out there on the subject indicates that most of the public in reality occupies an in-between position that simply favors the continuation of the legal status quo. At present, most public places require trans-identifying people to show an official medical certificate proving that they are, in fact, transgender if challenged on why they're using a restroom or locker room not corresponding to their biological sex, where the purpose of this particular proposal was, in contrast to that, to prohibit them from doing so altogether, obliging trans-identifying people to use the facilities corresponding to their sex (as in to say their actual sex, which is something that one cannot actually change). There's nothing discriminatory about said proposal, but most people have come to mistakenly feel that there is and don't want to support what they believe is unfair treatment. But here's the real catch: the polling out there also indicates that most people nonetheless oppose doing away standard provisions obliging the provision of a medical certificate on demand; the kind of thing that the government in the UK is currently trying to mandate by law with the Gender Recognition Act, which, if passed, would allow all UK residents to employ self-identification alone for these and all other purposes, thus opening the floodgates for abuse.

    My point is that the fact that most people just support the status quo rather than active, preventative steps like the proposal highlighted in the OP shouldn't really be viewed as a catastrophic ideological defeat, but just a sign that more work needs to be done in the way of educating the public on the fact that one's biological sex cannot change; stuff like that. If Alaska voters had just signed off on a bill to allow access to opposite-sex facilities based on self-identification alone, by contrast, I'd be more concerned. That's not what just happened though.

    I mean let me put it this way: until just a few years ago, I didn't even know that policies allowing transgender people into facilities corresponding to how they identify themselves rather than corresponding to their biological sex, with medical proof that they actually are trans-identifying people, even existed, so that tells you how serious the social impact actually is for the average woman: not very. I've never encountered a trans-identifying male in the women's restroom before in my whole life that I can recall. I have seen men in the women's restroom before, but they didn't seem to be transgender. They weren't wearing any female signifiers or anything. They were just regular, "cis" men who were there in blatant violation of the policy. THAT's what really concerns many women; the prospect of that kind of thing actually becoming effectively allowed, which is what would happen if we went based on self-identification alone. You know, hence the public backlash to Target's infamous 2016 announcement, for instance, which was that they were allowing access to opposite-sex facilities based on self-identification alone. THAT policy has been abused demonstrably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Why? Because we don't get hyperbolic about bodily functions or think that putting laws around bathrooms will make the least bit of difference to deviant predators?
    You are just wrong doc, people that make statements like yours have no experience with real life on a broader scope.

    You should be a big city cop for a month, it would change your entire outlook on what people are capable of and what they "DO" on a minute by minute basis.

    Your singular solo life experience does not reflect the reality of public bathroom risks in general

    The difference in our thinking is this, trannys in womens bathrooms so what and thats as far as it goes. My thinking goes past the transexuals to all the possibilities like individuals playing tranny as I have described before. With the law obama put into place trannys with beards can go into any bathroom they choose and no one can stop them.

    Its a stupid law that makes no sense, its dangerous for children especially and there was no need for the law to be written in the first place. Less than a half of 1 % of the population are transexuals.

    It puts "ALL" children and women at greater risk for a handful of transexuals, it defies common sense and its in my estimation a stupid law.
    Last edited by Common; 04-14-2018 at 06:17 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    "Voters in Alaska's largest city have become the first in the U.S. to defeat a so-called bathroom bill referendum that asked them to require people to use public bathrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender at birth."

    "Currently 19 states plus the District of Columbia include gender identity as a protected class in statewide public accommodations laws, according to Colorado-based Family Policy Alliance, a public policy partner of the conservative Focus on the Family organization. Researcher Autumn Stroup said in an email that tracking city regulations is more complicated."

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/anchorage-voters-nation-reject-bathroom-bill-54411566
    Anchorage voters want men dressed as women to piss with women. To shower with women.

    Isn't that just peachy?

    Enter the age of the one holer . Imagine 40 small bathrooms all in a a row instead of two big ones or at a minimum the end of urinals .

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Enter the age of the one holer . Imagine 40 small bathrooms all in a a row instead of two big ones or at a minimum the end of urinals .
    We should not use funds to appease the goofy 1%.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    This fear that rapists will dress in skirts and attack women in bathrooms is based on nothing but speculation. People could sneak into any bathroom. Laws protecting trans people isn't going to lead to pervs raping girls.
    Oh really? http://krcrtv.com/archive/eureka-man...arget-restroom

    "EUREKA, Calif. - A Eureka man was arrested Friday after police said he was exhibiting lewd behavior in a women's restroom at Target earlier in the week.Jenna Reck, a spokesperson for Target said a customer reported the suspicious man to store staff, who then called the police.
    "Earlier this week, a guest reported that she thought she saw a man that had been potentially filming in the bathroom," Reck told North Coast News. "Police are investigating the situation."

    "AT TARGET"
    Last edited by jimmyz; 04-30-2018 at 05:59 PM.
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