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Thread: Astonishing California bill would shut down free speech, require fact-checkers

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    Can't we force Californification to opt out of the Country. Lets take away their airports and build a wall around the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    It chills free speech. Period.
    That depends on the definition of free speech. Are lies and slander free speech?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    That depends on the definition of free speech. Are lies and slander free speech?
    Yes. One is free to lie and slander but must face the consequences of same. There are times where a court will issue an injunction if irreparable harm will occur if someone is allowed to say something about someone -- like, for example, if I wanted to call you a "constitutional literalist". You might consider that libelous. You could go to court and argue that me saying that would cause you irreparable harm. This government putting content conditions on speech is very bad. Remember, it is the most offensive of speech that is the most worthy of protection.
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    the liberals would be screaming bloody murder if this rule was going to be applied to them as well..........
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    That's somewhat the difference between a libertarian/conservative definition of liberty and a liberal one. One should be free to speak and face consequences. One should be free to make mistakes, including what others consider lies and fake news. Making mistakes is how we learn to constrain ourselves in self-government. On the liberal view that freedom comes not from the self but is the purview of the government, a centralized few dictating what is true and shutting down what isn't...or what doesn't serve the interests of the elite.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    It's like long guns. the liberals state they only want the AR's today. Once they've gotten that, they'll be after pistols. Look to MA where they have officially stolen people's 2nd A Rights to possess any mean looking long guns..they are also after handguns that carry more rounds than a six-shooter. Next it will be six-shooters. then it will be illegal to own any guns.
    The 1st A will be treated the same way.
    Why on earth would anyone surrender their Rights, any of them, to a government that has been known to despise the people they desire to lord over
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    The way I read it, nobody is saying it can't be said. Just that you can't call it news if it doesn't pass a good faith attempt at fact checking.
    Hmmm. Government approved news. What could possibly go wrong?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    That depends on the definition of free speech. Are lies and slander free speech?
    In my opinion, you are making the same argument that our board's geniuses have been making about the Syrian war of choice. Did the President trample on the Constitution? It depends on what the meaning of war is.

    Our geniuses are willing to blur the lines between what is a Constitutional act and what is not because they want to support the President's war-making without the inconvenience of hearing the Peoples' voices.

    In your case, you blur the lines because you want to squash any news the Left does not approve.

    In short, you and the Geniuses are doing the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Yes. One is free to lie and slander but must face the consequences of same. There are times where a court will issue an injunction if irreparable harm will occur if someone is allowed to say something about someone -- like, for example, if I wanted to call you a "constitutional literalist". You might consider that libelous. You could go to court and argue that me saying that would cause you irreparable harm. This government putting content conditions on speech is very bad. Remember, it is the most offensive of speech that is the most worthy of protection.
    Some of the junk being passed off as news by people like Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones is the equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. That is not protected speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    the liberals would be screaming bloody murder if this rule was going to be applied to them as well..........
    Please show me where it said it will only be applied to conservatives.
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