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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    If the manager did not call the police, she could have said to the police that there was no need for their presence and if any call was made it was made erroneously (profuse apologies for the inconvenience). That did not happen.

    What is known is that the men were meeting someone there, not just trying to use the bathroom without a purchase and that someone profiled them as noncustomers for some reason.
    The "some reason" was probably the fact that they didn't purchase anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    The "some reason" was probably the fact that they didn't purchase anything.
    If other customers are undisturbed while waiting for friends and given permission to use the restroom in the meantime, why were these gentlemen both given the bum's rush and made the focus of a trespassing complaint, when they were not creating a disturbance and made it clear that they were awaiting a third?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    If other customers are undisturbed while waiting for friends and given permission to use the restroom in the meantime, why were these gentlemen both given the bum's rush and made the focus of a trespassing complaint, when they were not creating a disturbance and made it clear that they were awaiting a third?
    I don't know and it shouldn't matter. Someone occupying a table in a food service establishment who is not ordering has no business there. They are not public waiting areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    The "some reason" was probably the fact that they didn't purchase anything.

    When you go into a restaurant or coffee shop and say that you are waiting until the rest of your party shows up before you will order something, should you be told to leave? Then arrested and taken to jail and held for over eight hours when you refuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    If other customers are undisturbed while waiting for friends and given permission to use the restroom in the meantime, why were these gentlemen both given the bum's rush and made the focus of a trespassing complaint, when they were not creating a disturbance and made it clear that they were awaiting a third?
    I know why, but someone would call me names if I stated why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    When you go into a restaurant or coffee shop and say that you are waiting until the rest of your party shows up before you will order something, should you be told to leave? Then arrested and taken to jail and held for over eight hours when you refuse?
    It depends on how long you are there. If you are waiting for someone, order a beverage. Common courtesy dictates you don't just take up space in a business that depends on getting people in and out and keeping tables filled with paying customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    The law is the law. Although it was a sucky situation for the police to be in, if the owner of that establishment said someone is trespassing, then there is little the police can do when called.
    Once a call for service is registered and the Police respond, they have to come to a solution.
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    Not to long ago a Starbucks refused to serve 2 Police Officers,the police didnt start any problems, they werent causing a commotion, there were there to buy coffee and they were profiled and subjected to bias
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I can't say what they may or may not have said to the police or if the police just approached them and arrested them. Perhaps further details will emerge. However, I imagine that if this is something that has happened to you more than once, your goodwill and patience begins to wear rather thin.
    That's the problem, too many IMAGINING what might be reasonable rather than arguing from facts.
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    Why couldn't the two men, simply have ordered something? A coffee, to sip, while waiting?

    Because, by then, it had become a matter of principle.

    I think, the manager, or whomever it was, got a little 'concerned' and reacted badly.

    Once the police were called, they had to come to a resolution.

    I understand about it being a business and, the owners don't make money if people aren't buying anything, but, I've gone into eating establishments and have sat, waiting for another person, without being thrown out by the police. I've always ordered something to drink, though, while waiting.

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