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    China: Where Feminism is Illegal

    Well, it looks like Sina Weibo (China's equivalent of Twitter) and private messaging app WeChat have both permanently blocked the accounts of Feminist Voices, the most prominent women's advocacy network in the country. The group's Weibo account had some 180,000 followers and had served as the movement's most important channel for spreading information. The group had been suspended from Weibo for a month last year as well, but this new block is more ominous, as there is no indication that the account will be restored. The reasons given were vague and insubstantial, as official statements often are in China these days. It's worth noting the timing: Feminist Voices was blocked beginning the day after International Women's Day.

    Similarly, last year Weibo blocked the #MeToo hashtag after a former doctoral student named Luo Xixi shared a letter on the network about being sexually harassed by a former professor. Her story quickly went viral, launching a public debate about predatory sexual behavior in China, as it has elsewhere. In China though, the official response was censorship. Activists have created the alternative hashtag #RiceBunny in its place since the Chinese words for rice bunny are pronounced "mi tu" when spoken aloud. These are the sorts of lengths the movement has to go to stay alive in a repressive police state.

    The women's movement is being repressed because, with its rapidly growing support in urban areas, and especially on college campuses, it's seen as posing a threat to single-party rule. The irony is incredible. Modern-day China is ultimately seen as the creation of one Mao Zedong, who, among other things, integrated women into the army (yes, in combat roles), banned arranged marriages, legalized divorce, banned infanticide, foot-binding, and prostitution, ratified the equivalent of the Equal Rights Amendment (never ratified in the U.S.), integrated women into the regular workforce, created collective child care programs to render as much pragmatic, appointed a female co-chairperson (head of government), gave his feminist wife Jiang Qing essentially singular control of the nation's media, and created state-sponsored movements like the Iron Women's Brigade tasked with actively tearing down social stigmas against women participating equally in public life using slogans like "Women hold up half the sky". In today's China, by contrast, the social advancement of women is considered a threat to the regime rather than a programmic pillar holding it aloft.

    As much could be said for the Eastern world overall though really. During the Cold War, when "the East was red", as the saying went, countries like China, India, and Russia were considered to feature more equitable relationships between women and men than their Western counterparts. For example, then-socialist India democratically elected a female head of government (prime minister) all the way back in 1966. The Soviet Union legalized abortion in 1968, five years before the United States. Etc. Etc. Since the Cold War though, said situation has largely reversed. Contemporary feminism is largely traceable to the Western world and a suppressed and censored opposition movement in countries like China, Russia, and India; countries that used to lead the world in equality between the sexes.
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    Eastern countries like China have a good reason to be suspicious and even fearful of foreign movements disrupting their societies. The US government is always looking for "regime change" vectors they can exploit. I'm not saying this movement is guilty of that, but the Chinese state is known for its cautious approach to social change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Eastern countries like China have a good reason to be suspicious and even fearful of foreign movements disrupting their societies. The US government is always looking for "regime change" vectors they can exploit. I'm not saying this movement is guilty of that, but the Chinese state is known for its cautious approach to social change.
    Their society is fundamentally different from ours which is based on individualism. Chinese honor collectivism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Their society is fundamentally different from ours which is based on individualism. Chinese honor collectivism.
    True. They are thinking of the collective welfare of China. They are fearful of radical social changes and potential political instability. That doesn't make it right, but it is the reality of the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Well, it looks like Sina Weibo (China's equivalent of Twitter) and private messaging app WeChat have both permanently blocked the accounts of Feminist Voices, the most prominent women's advocacy network in the country. The group's Weibo account had some 180,000 followers and had served as the movement's most important channel for spreading information. The group had been suspended from Weibo for a month last year as well, but this new block is more ominous, as there is no indication that the account will be restored. The reasons given were vague and insubstantial, as official statements often are in China these days. It's worth noting the timing: Feminist Voices was blocked beginning the day after International Women's Day.

    Similarly, last year Weibo blocked the #MeToo hashtag after a former doctoral student named Luo Xixi shared a letter on the network about being sexually harassed by a former professor. Her story quickly went viral, launching a public debate about predatory sexual behavior in China, as it has elsewhere. In China though, the official response was censorship. Activists have created the alternative hashtag #RiceBunny in its place since the Chinese words for rice bunny are pronounced "mi tu" when spoken aloud. These are the sorts of lengths the movement has to go to stay alive in a repressive police state.

    The women's movement is being repressed because, with its rapidly growing support in urban areas, and especially on college campuses, it's seen as posing a threat to single-party rule. The irony is incredible. Modern-day China is ultimately seen as the creation of one Mao Zedong, who, among other things, integrated women into the army (yes, in combat roles), banned arranged marriages, legalized divorce, banned infanticide, foot-binding, and prostitution, ratified the equivalent of the Equal Rights Amendment (never ratified in the U.S.), integrated women into the regular workforce, created collective child care programs to render as much pragmatic, appointed a female co-chairperson (head of government), gave his feminist wife Jiang Qing essentially singular control of the nation's media, and created state-sponsored movements like the Iron Women's Brigade tasked with actively tearing down social stigmas against women participating equally in public life using slogans like "Women hold up half the sky". In today's China, by contrast, the social advancement of women is considered a threat to the regime rather than a programmic pillar holding it aloft.

    As much could be said for the Eastern world overall though really. During the Cold War, when "the East was red", as the saying went, countries like China, India, and Russia were considered to feature more equitable relationships between women and men than their Western counterparts. For example, then-socialist India democratically elected a female head of government (prime minister) all the way back in 1966. The Soviet Union legalized abortion in 1968, five years before the United States. Etc. Etc. Since the Cold War though, said situation has largely reversed. Contemporary feminism is largely traceable to the Western world and a suppressed and censored opposition movement in countries like China, Russia, and India; countries that used to lead the world in equality between the sexes.
    They just did the same with the LGBT and Gay sites too.


    Of course, China needs to watch out for the Russians looking to dominate the World of Prostitution and the sex slave trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    True. They are thinking of the collective welfare of China. They are fearful of radical social changes and potential political instability. That doesn't make it right, but it is the reality of the situation.
    It could be right for them. If that is what they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Their society is fundamentally different from ours which is based on individualism. Chinese honor collectivism.
    .............as do our socialists/communists...............collectivists are always on the prowl to eliminate Individualism. "You cannot think or act without the Collective. It is forbidden"
    The OP is one of those that thinks women should rule over men and men should be chemically or surgically emasculated.
    The OP is complaining about Collectivism, yet is a Collectivist themselves.
    Go figure................
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    Ethereal wrote:
    Eastern countries like China have a good reason to be suspicious and even fearful of foreign movements disrupting their societies. The US government is always looking for "regime change" vectors they can exploit. I'm not saying this movement is guilty of that, but the Chinese state is known for its cautious approach to social change.
    Actually I'm pretty that's exactly what you just implied, and you're painting a misleading picture. Our current head of state most certainly does NOT support the women's movement (e.g. President Trump has condemned the Me Too movement on Twitter, for rather obvious personal reasons). When I say that modern feminism is largely traceable to the Western world, I don't mean that it's an imperial program being sponsored by the U.S. government. It's not. I mean that its ideas are predominantly those generated by people in Western countries. In the OP, I highlighted that as much was not always the case at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    .............as do our socialists/communists...............collectivist are always on the prowl to eliminate Individualism. "You cannot think or act without the Collective. It is forbidden"
    The OP is one of those that thinks women should rule over men, men should be chemically or surgically emasculated.
    The OP is complaining about Collectivism, yet is a Collectivist themselves.
    Go figure................
    Chinese value the group over the individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Actually I'm pretty that's exactly what you just implied, and you're painting a misleading picture. Our current head of state most certainly does NOT support the women's movement (e.g. President Trump has condemned the Me Too movement on Twitter, for rather obvious personal reasons). When I say that modern feminism is largely traceable to the Western world, I don't mean that it's an imperial program being sponsored by the U.S. government. It's not. I mean that its ideas are predominantly those generated by people in Western countries. In the OP, I highlighted that as much was not always the case at all.
    Feminism is a Western phenomenon.
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