"Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most — that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least."
- Eugene V. Debs (1855-1926), five-time Socialist Party candidate for U.S. President
Not since Reagan. Obama was thought of as a Feckless Weak Joke. W was thought of as stupid and odd. Bill as an immature novice.
I think we can agree then: Trump hasn't done any damage 'to the USA', people just don't like him. I don't like what he does either on Twitter and I sure wish he'd act more Presidential -- but I like Gorsuch (and would've despised what a HRC Presidency could've done to the Court). I like talk of enforcing our borders.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect. -- Woody Hayes
Archer0915 (04-21-2018),countryboy (04-22-2018),Peter1469 (04-21-2018)
You are only speaking on behalf of Conservatives. If Trump had not done any damage to the USA to this point, he would not be the subject of 24 on 24 hour news coverage. Any successes he may have achieved are lost, not because of a "liberal" media but due to his constant need to be the news.
The royal family costs Brits many many millions, they have no power, they dont do anything but if they want them and the expense who am I to question it.
LETS GO BRANDON
F Joe Biden
Look, I asked you to tell me what damage he has done. It was you that said he'd damaged the USA. You couldn't identify any. I was merely reiterating our agreement. He is an egomaniac narcissist, no doubt. He has a tendency to either lie or engage in puffery (legal term). He says a lot of inflammatory things when saying the same thing a different way would get agreement from a lot more people. The media is after him b/c he stands up to him. He won't play their game of just taking it. Right or wrong, that's his shtick. A lot of us admire him for fighting back but cringe nonetheless. Yet, remember, W didn't fight back and they took it to him equally as bad.
The Press gave 'not a smidgen of corruption' Obama a total pass, and he did more actual damage to the USA.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect. -- Woody Hayes
Archer0915 (04-21-2018)
Damage doesn't have to be physical. Psychologically it's high. You can hardly claim that a successful stock market to this date is a measure of success when Trump can destroy it with one tweet. If that's not internal damage, I don't know what is.
I think we agree then. Trump has not caused any damage to The USA. The possibility that someone can do something in the future is not internal damage. Period. Psychological damage or histrionics are more likely a reflection of the weakness in that segment of our society than anything that Trump has or hasn't done/said. Obama was atrocious from my side. A full-frontal attack on economic freedom/sanity, justice, the American way, personal independence and responsibility, etc. I get you and others will disagree. We didn't run around crying and whining about it. No. The Tea Party (original one -- not weird one) meetings were about getting things done, cutting the size and scope of government. Throughout all of that, there was no emotional bedwetting. No. We organized. We worked. We worked hard. We ran. We voted. We flipped the congress and the states. We went to work on fixing it. If we lose the House and Senate this fall, we'll get up the day after the election watch the National Day of Gloating by the left (they'll be entitled to it, but the R's will be as much to blame) and then go back to work on retaking both. There (again) won't be whining and crying about it. No emotional bedwetting. We will go back to work.
Last edited by DGUtley; 04-21-2018 at 08:52 AM.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect. -- Woody Hayes
I dont disagree with that. But its not unique. Every democratic country goes through the same process.
But there is a high degree of hate from what I see at a distance. And an intransigence that will always be there, Obamacare, gun legislation, a propensity to jail as many as possible for as long as possible, etc. none of which will be resolved due to the diversity of each. There has to be a better way.