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Thread: ‘Yes, I’m Running as a Socialist.’ Why Candidates Are Embracing the Label in 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I do recall your discussions with kilgram now and his reluctance that to admit that force was inevitable. Frankly, I don't see how it could be any other way. If our "progressives" were honest they would agree.
    I think on a small scale, subsidiarity approach, I think it possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I think that Satanic is a bit strong. Actually, I only posted because I was able to access the article and thought that people should have some idea of what it said, given that my monthly access to articles hadn't expired. Socialism needn't be the horror stories of the past or even remotely like Chinese or NK socialism. The fact that it has been a political model turned to when people have been in dire straits economically and politically has had much to do with its failure. You can't flip a switch and become a 100% socialist nation. Socialism is an economic model, but it is also a way of thinking. Nations that have incredible wealth and incredible poverty are dangerous places. Vast wealth is not necessarily a healthy thing to aspire to because it always comes at a cost to others. A socialist world would not have an underclass of people who would work cheaply to make others rich. It wouldn't even pay the brilliant less than popular entertainers or those whose only real talent is that of persuasion.

    Where socialism has been introduced gradually it has had a positive effect on the overall contentment of the citizens of those countries.
    Yes, recognized you were just quoting another earlier.

    But you're repeating the point criticized, that this time it'll be different, without explaining how it will be different.


    Where socialism has been introduced gradually it has had a positive effect on the overall contentment of the citizens of those countries.
    Where is that? I suspect you mean where certain element of society have been socialized, taken over by the government. Socialized and socialism are two distinct things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Socialism would not pay anyone - it would give you a space to live and food to eat. You would do what ever work the State believed you were good at.
    Who says it has to be that way?
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Who says it has to be that way?
    It's the way it always turns out. Count Henri de Saint-Simon who coined the term socialism was an authoritarian. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, on and on.

    Define another way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Who says it has to be that way?
    Socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Socialism.
    It's not carved in stone.
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    I love how people claim certain authoritarian forms of government have always failed because they were never implemented in the proper way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
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    Words have meanings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I love how people claim certain authoritarian forms of government have always failed because they were never implemented in the proper way.
    I love when they claim there's another way of socialism that's not authoritarian but fail to say what that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I love when they claim there's another way of socialism that's not authoritarian but fail to say what that is.
    They will say "democratic" socialism isn't an authoritarian form of government. Of course when you ask them to provide specifics as to how it is applied, they describe things which fall under other authoritarian systems attempted.

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