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    ‘Yes, I’m Running as a Socialist.’ Why Candidates Are Embracing the Label in 2018

    I've pointed out that standing against Trump, as so many who suffer TDS do, is not standing for something, and won't win votes.

    Well, I think I found some new liberals stand for!

    ‘Yes, I’m Running as a Socialist.’ Why Candidates Are Embracing the Label in 2018

    ...“Yes, I’m running as a socialist,” Mr. Bynum said. “I’m a far-left candidate. What I’m trying to do is be a Democrat who actually stands for something, and tells people, ‘Here’s how we are going to materially improve conditions in your life.’”

    ...Supporters, many of them millennials, say they are drawn by D.S.A.’s promise to combat income inequality, which they believe is tainting every facet of American life, from the criminal justice system to medical care to politics. They argue that capitalism has let them down, saddling them with student debt, high rent and uncertain job prospects. And they have been frustrated by the Democratic Party, which they say has lost touch with working people.
    Of course it's nothing new, as the article points out:

    Acceptance of socialism today still falls far short of its heyday in the 1910s and 1920s, when the Socialist Party of America had over 113,000 members and more than 1,000 elected officials, including two members of Congress, according to Jack Ross, author of “The Socialist Party of America: A Complete History.”

    By the 1950s, socialism was widely seen as antithetical to the American way of life.
    The "new" movement is addressed in You can’t argue against socialism’s 100 per cent record of failure argues:

    Socialism is extremely in vogue. Opinion pieces which tell us to stop obsessing over socialism’s past failures, and start to get excited about its future potential, have almost become a genre in its own right.

    For example, Bhaskhar Sunkara, the founder of Jacobin magazine, recently wrote a New York Times article, in which he claimed that the next attempt to build a socialist society will be completely different:

    “This time, people get to vote. Well, debate and deliberate and then vote – and have faith that people can organise together to chart new destinations for humanity. Stripped down to its essence, and returned to its roots, socialism is an ideology of radical democracy. […] [I]t seeks to empower civil society to allow participation in the decisions that affect our lives.”

    Nathan Robinson, the editor of Current Affairs, wrote in that magazine that socialism has not “failed”. It has just never been done properly...

    ...“Socialism without democracy […] isn’t socialism. […] Socialism means socialising wealth and power […].
    It is, in fact, not new, but the same old same old, as the article argues:

    Despite differences in style and emphasis, articles in this genre share a number of common flaws.

    First, as much as the authors insist that previous examples of socialism were not “really” socialist, none of them can tell us what exactly they would do differently. Rather than providing at least a rough outline of how “their” version of socialism would work in practice, the authors escape into abstraction, and talk about lofty aspirations rather than tangible institutional characteristics.

    ...Secondly, the authors do not seem to realise that there is nothing remotely new about the lofty aspirations they talk about, and the buzzphrases they use. Giving “the people” democratic control over economic life has always been the aspiration, and the promise, of socialism. It is not that this has never occurred to the people who were involved in earlier socialist projects. On the contrary: that was always the idea. There was never a time when socialists started out with the express intention of creating stratified societies led by a technocratic elite. Socialism always turned out that way, but not because it was intended to be that way.

    ...Thirdly, contemporary socialists completely fail to address the deficiencies of socialism in the economic sphere. They talk a lot about how their version of socialism would be democratic, participatory, non-authoritarian, nice and cuddly. Suppose they could prove Hayek [sic, Mises] wrong, and magically make that work. What then?
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    Because it worked out so well for Bernie...

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    So called mainstream liberals and Democrats are getting more extreme all the time. I have no issue with that. Let them go as far out there as they want to.


    They are showing that they represent the far left fringe of American society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jigglepete View Post
    Because it worked out so well for Bernie...
    Let’s be honest. Bernie was screwed by the dem party and Barrack Obama. Obama as the head of the Dems cut a deal with Hillary and made sure she was nominated. Crooked as hell but that’s what they did.

    Not sure if Bernie the socialist could win. But offering free college he may have gotten the youth back out and offset Trumps swing of Dems. However, I am not so sure more Dems would have voted against Bernie. We are not socialists. But we allow their opinions.
    I am tired of everyone fighting with each other. This is all by design.

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    Just more failure of the left. But it is good seeing that both Socialists and Communists will tie themselves to the Demo Party. Quite the fitting reward for Demos and their cult following.


    Which the Repubs should use that with the coming Mid Terms.
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    What is a "radical democracy"?
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    What is a "radical democracy"?
    State, Cities, and a National Government ran by Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texan View Post
    Let’s be honest. Bernie was screwed by the dem party and Barrack Obama. Obama as the head of the Dems cut a deal with Hillary and made sure she was nominated. Crooked as hell but that’s what they did.

    Not sure if Bernie the socialist could win. But offering free college he may have gotten the youth back out and offset Trumps swing of Dems. However, I am not so sure more Dems would have voted against Bernie. We are not socialists. But we allow their opinions.
    Sanders has no chance in a national election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    What is a "radical democracy"?
    Not entirely sure. The author of the second article is citing a socialist writing in Socialism’s Future May Be Its Past. I can't read it as the NYT is pay per view after a certain point each month.

    According to Radical democracy it's define in Ernesto Laclau and Chantal Mouffe's 1985 Hegemony and Socialist Strategy: Towards a Radical Democratic Politics, as a challenge to neoliberal and neoconservative concepts of democracy: "expand the liberal definition of democracy, based on freedom and equality, to include difference." Near as I can tell, multicultural, or, in today's terms, intersectional democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Not entirely sure. The author of the second article is citing a socialist writing in Socialism’s Future May Be Its Past. I can't read it as the NYT is pay per view after a certain point each month.

    According to Radical democracy it's define in Ernesto Laclau and Chantal Mouffe's 1985 Hegemony and Socialist Strategy: Towards a Radical Democratic Politics, as a challenge to neoliberal and neoconservative concepts of democracy: "expand the liberal definition of democracy, based on freedom and equality, to include difference." Near as I can tell, multicultural, or, in today's terms, intersectional democracy.
    I don't doubt that there is something wrong with liberal democracy (neoliberal and especially neoconservative are meaningless in this context) and I've said so several times but what exactly would this radical democracy look like? I suspect Laclau and Mouffe don't know.
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