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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Let Israel do what they think they must, but make it clear it's there war!
    No, it is not their war, Red.

    Israel our ally. Who we will defend. The only sliver of Democracy in the entire region and the Jewish Homeland will remain in existence. The United States will continue to honor its' commitment and military alliance with Israel.

    Too lazy to look up......I believe it was either the T-54 or T-55 that was the main Egyptian tank during the 67 and 73 wars......that the Arabs lost, but it's not Israel's War...Red. The main battle tank of the Syrian Army today is a T-90....Pete could probably be more informed. The Russians. The Iranians. The Egyptians. The Jordanians. Iraq firing scuds into Israel...It's never been limited to Israel or her wars. We will continue to defend Israel, your isolationist abandonment won't occur, otherwise, there would be no Israel.

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    Syria only has about 65 T-90s. Most of their tanks are T-72s and earlier models. Wiki has a breakdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    No, it is not their war, Red.

    Israel our ally. Who we will defend. The only sliver of Democracy in the entire region and the Jewish Homeland will remain in existence. The United States will continue to honor its' commitment and military alliance with Israel.

    Too lazy to look up......I believe it was either the T-54 or T-55 that was the main Egyptian tank during the 67 and 73 wars......that the Arabs lost, but it's not Israel's War...Red. The main battle tank of the Syrian Army today is a T-90....Pete could probably be more informed. The Russians. The Iranians. The Egyptians. The Jordanians. Iraq firing scuds into Israel...It's never been limited to Israel or her wars. We will continue to defend Israel, your isolationist abandonment won't occur, otherwise, there would be no Israel.
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    Thank you Pete. The point being many nations especially Russia and Iran contribute to this 'war' and opposition to Israel's very existence. The Soviet war machine pouring weapons into the region even today. Iranian military forces in Syria as well. Iran facilitating Hezbollah.

    We speak to the sheer number of belligerents in neighboring Syria. On the border with Israel a terrible and enduring civil war is ongoing. Russia, Iran, Turkey, Iraq, France, Britain, and the United States all involved. Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, ISIS, and Hamas all involved. Shia, Sunni, Kurd, Christian, all involved as well.

    But according to @donttread this is "Israel's War."

    I mean...c'mon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Thank you Pete. The point being many nations especially Russia and Iran contribute to this 'war' and opposition to Israel's very existence. The Soviet war machine pouring weapons into the region even today. Iranian military forces in Syria as well. Iran facilitating Hezbollah.

    We speak to the sheer number of belligerents in neighboring Syria. On the border with Israel a terrible and enduring civil war is ongoing. Russia, Iran, Turkey, Iraq, France, Britain, and the United States all involved. Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, ISIS, and Hamas all involved. Shia, Sunni, Kurd, Christian, all involved as well.

    But according to @donttread this is "Israel's War."

    I mean...c'mon.
    The US is involved despite Dontread's objections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The US is involved despite Dontread's objections.
    Had we not been, Israel would have been thrown into the sea, they were attacked from Day one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Thank you Pete. The point being many nations especially Russia and Iran contribute to this 'war' and opposition to Israel's very existence. The Soviet war machine pouring weapons into the region even today. Iranian military forces in Syria as well. Iran facilitating Hezbollah.

    We speak to the sheer number of belligerents in neighboring Syria. On the border with Israel a terrible and enduring civil war is ongoing. Russia, Iran, Turkey, Iraq, France, Britain, and the United States all involved. Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, ISIS, and Hamas all involved. Shia, Sunni, Kurd, Christian, all involved as well.

    But according to @donttread this is "Israel's War."

    I mean...c'mon.


    LOL. We are doing the exact same thing , pouring gasoline on the war fire just as the Russians do . It has to stop somewhere. Israel needs to be able and is able to defend herself. Besides you do know they tried to nip the Iranian nuke program in the bud years ago but somebody stopped them. "America will do the glory stuff not you" L(OL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    But according to @donttread this is "Israel's War."
    Donttread has a habit of stating obvious truths that neocons find very upsetting. He ought to be commended for his candor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    LOL. We are doing the exact same thing , pouring gasoline on the war fire just as the Russians do . It has to stop somewhere. Israel needs to be able and is able to defend herself. Besides you do know they tried to nip the Iranian nuke program in the bud years ago but somebody stopped them. "America will do the glory stuff not you" L(OL
    No, we did not stop them. Israel is not chomping at the bit, eager to be let off their metaphorical chain. Israel would like everyone to believe that, but it's not really true. In reality, Israel is in an extremely vulnerable position and they know it. Without massive support from the US, a war between Israel and Iran would probably result in the destruction of at least northern and central Israel. Israel would probably destroy Iran (and Lebanon) in return, but Israel could not escape untouched. For starters, the Israelis themselves estimate that Hezbollah has somewhere between 100,000 and 150,000 rockets and that Hezbollah could launch somewhere around a thousand rockets at Israel per day. No expert who actually understands Israel's missile defense systems believes they could intercept all those rockets. This is a fact Israelis themselves are acutely aware of. They understand better than most Americans how vulnerable Israel really is, which is why they are ALWAYS trying to get the far more powerful USA to fight their battles for them. Do not buy the neocon narrative that paints Israel as a pitbull straining to be free of its leash. Israel is more like the pitbull's tail, wagging the dog.
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    Israel is nothing without the West.

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    Israel and Saudi Arabia are also becoming increasingly desperate as their proxy war against Syria inches towards total failure.

    If Assad and his allies manage to consolidate their position in Syria, which it looks like they will, then they will be in a position to launch a counter-campaign against Israel and Saudi Arabia. And don't you know, payback can be a bitch.

    So the stronger Assad's position in Syria becomes, the more nervous and fearful Israel and Saudi Arabia will become.

    Their fear and desperation became quite apparent when Israel and its media prostitutes went around shouting to the rooftops about a recent Syria/Iranian "attack" against Israel. What the media prostitutes won't tell you is that Israel has been waging an aggressive proxy war against Syria and its Iranian allies for years, and that this "attack" against Israel is actually self-defense. They will also neglect to mention that the "attack" wasn't against Israel proper, but against Israeli OCCUPIED Golan Heights, where there were no Israeli civilians, just Israeli military.
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