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    Israelis & Saudis Trying to Pull America Into War With Iran



    Once again, foreign interests are trying to get Americans to fight their battles for them. And why wouldn't they? It's entirely rational from their perspective.

    But from the perspective of the average American, involving ourselves in a regional conflict between Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia is completely irrational and does nothing for us. It's just another disaster waiting to happen, one that will cost us billions or even trillions of dollars.

    Trump promised to stay out of these stupid wars, yet he seems poised to involve America in yet another Middle Eastern quagmire with no clear strategy or rationale.
    Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
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    Trump promised to stay out of these stupid wars
    Yea and that is how he got my vote. Not SA, not Israel but America first.

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    War with Iran, proxy or direct, would be like combining the Korean War, the Iraq war, Afghanistan, Vietnam, the Cold War and the war on drugs. Unwinable and resulting in unintended consequences.

    The sane option is diplomacy and promoting economic growth.

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    I am a Christian and the men and women that fight for our country if they be atheist, or any other, I put them first. They fight for us, and I don't want to see them die for another country. I can't stand republicans or democrats that put other countries first. There is nothing special about Israel and the Bible doesn't support their claims. Trump keep your promise.

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    Colin Powell's former chief of staff, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, explains Israel's undue influence over US foreign policy.
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    Fmr IAEA Inspector: Netanyahu's Cartoons About Iran's Nuclear Program are 'Baseless and Childish'

    In a 'show and tell' type talk, Netanyahu claimed that Iran is developing a nuclear weapons program and tried to provide evidence that Iran is violating the JCOPA. Former US IAEA Nuclear Weapons Inspector Robert Kelley tells TRNN Netanyahu's claims are baseless, self-serving, and childish

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    SHARMINI PERIES: Now, Robert, these 55000 pages and CD files that Netanyahu revealed as proof of Iranian nuclear weapons program, what are their merits?

    ROBERT KELLEY: Things that first come across as being relevant are dealing with forgeries and dealing with information that was fed to us by people who had an agenda. A well known example is when the United States claimed that Iraq was trying to acquire uranium from the country of Niger back in 2002. And we eventually got our hands on the documents that were the basis for that, and they were just amazing forgeries. They're typical of what we see in this cache from Netanyahu yesterday, in that you can have an awful lot of genuine information that you pump onto people, and then you solved a few little things inside of it that are the forgeries. And that's what we saw in the Niger case. There were lots of things, there were airline reservations, plans for meeting schedules, all kinds of things that were genuine.

    But in addition to that, we had a few documents in there that said we, the Nigerians, want to sell you uranium, and send your ambassador down here and the ambassador can buy uranium for us. The things in those documents were odd, like dates were whited out and changed, and that kind of thing. So we got pretty used to looking at forgeries. I think in this case we may see again that someone has dumped 50000 pages of information, for example, and they're just hoping that someone will go through it and find a few things in there that were put in there for them to find that will make it look genuine.

    SHARMINI PERIES: Now, Robert, one curious thing here is that Netanyahu did not mention the Arak reactor, which could have provided as provided as more evidence to make the claims that he was trying to make, but he didn't mention it. Why?

    ROBERT KELLEY: He talked about the things that were required for a nuclear program. He mentioned centrifuges for uranium enrichment, missiles, and something else, I forget what it was. But he left out the plutonium route altogether. Which is interesting, because obviously, if you look at satellite imagery, you have concrete evidence. And I call it concrete evidence because you see them not pouring concrete, showing that the Iranians themselves had lost interest in that reactor as far back as 2004. So what you're seeing there is that Netanyahu doesn't mention it because it's really not an issue anymore. And by not mentioning it I think he's being quite dishonest in dropping an issue that's been before the public in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post


    Once again, foreign interests are trying to get Americans to fight their battles for them. And why wouldn't they? It's entirely rational from their perspective.

    But from the perspective of the average American, involving ourselves in a regional conflict between Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia is completely irrational and does nothing for us. It's just another disaster waiting to happen, one that will cost us billions or even trillions of dollars.

    Trump promised to stay out of these stupid wars, yet he seems poised to involve America in yet another Middle Eastern quagmire with no clear strategy or rationale.
    You don't suppose we'll draw the line this time do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    You don't suppose we'll draw the line this time do you?
    It's hard to say. All the antiwar movement has on its side is truth, justice, and sanity. Not sure if that will be enough to overcome the pure lust for power and the insatiable greed of the warmongering elements within our society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post


    Once again, foreign interests are trying to get Americans to fight their battles for them. And why wouldn't they? It's entirely rational from their perspective.

    But from the perspective of the average American, involving ourselves in a regional conflict between Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia is completely irrational and does nothing for us. It's just another disaster waiting to happen, one that will cost us billions or even trillions of dollars.

    Trump promised to stay out of these stupid wars, yet he seems poised to involve America in yet another Middle Eastern quagmire with no clear strategy or rationale.
    Putting the sanction back on Iran is diplomacy not war. Israel fights it's own wars. Keeping Iran free of nukes serves our best interests. You think they wouldn't launch on us given the ability? Don't be foolish.


    How is Trump involving our troops? If Israel and SA do the fighting we don't. It's not that hard to figure out.
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