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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    In my massive amount of experience with the term online, it is applied broadly to all feminists, including those who are simply ordinary liberals (like Hillary Clinton and Anita Sarkeesian, for instance) because people don't even know what an actual radical feminist is anymore, so compromised has our value set become. I have seen many instances of the term being accompanied by threats of violence, as in rape and murder (particularly against Sarkeesian and her entire family, but also against many feminists), which, together with the fact that no one calls themselves a feminazi, is why I call it a hate term. It's use is invariably motivated by hatred.

    I would agree with you when you say that not all conservatives are that way. Some of them work with us on select issues, actually. For example, the National Center on Sexual Exploitation is a Christian conservative group works with radical feminists to some degree on anti-pornography/prostitution/objectification campaigning. Likewise, the Heritage Foundation has been known to cite the work of Sheila Jeffreys and Janice Raymond on the topic of transgender identity politics. But these organizations (at least as organizations) don't use the "feminazi" moniker.

    First, I'm glad you're still talking. I may agree or disagree with you, but that's good as long as you're talking.

    Second, it seems to me that the term, whether we call it hate term or pejorative, is not personal but ideological. When Hazlett coined it he seemed irritated with a certain group of feminists. When Limbaugh repeated it he was probably trolling a broader group, perhaps all feminists. But it's not like they're hating anyone personally. And so it's used the way rightwinger is by some, or liberal is by others.
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    Originally posted by empress Polly:

    "In my massive amount of experience with the term online... [...]"

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    first off, allow me to correct the first mistake...Hillary Clinton is no women's right's champion and she is a far from "normal" as she can be. It would not be a good thing to compare yourself to her. You're not that corrupt
    So whether the times are she said something else than what she has been accused of, and you are the weatherman again, of how is it whether you are not the best adjudicator of anyone else, knowing of your track record for the need to insult.

    You did not end the sentence above correctly either. That means you intend to hold over to the next typewriter set; you are one to speak another thing about anyone else since you don't want it to be known that you are part of the shadow government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    First, I'm glad you're still talking. I may agree or disagree with you, but that's good as long as you're talking.

    Second, it seems to me that the term, whether we call it hate term or pejorative, is not personal but ideological. When Hazlett coined it he seemed irritated with a certain group of feminists. When Limbaugh repeated it he was probably trolling a broader group, perhaps all feminists. But it's not like they're hating anyone personally. And so it's used the way rightwinger is by some, or liberal is by others.

    Why not peoplist where everyone has the same rights. Vs. women's rights or minority rights . Just fair treatment for all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Why not peoplist where everyone has the same rights. Vs. women's rights or minority rights . Just fair treatment for all?
    When it comes to equality before the law I am all for it. The government shouldn't pick sides. Just leave people alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    When it comes to equality before the law I am all for it. The government shouldn't pick sides. Just leave people alone.
    Yes and we already have a BOR's lets just apply it to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Yes and we already have a BOR's lets just apply it to everyone.
    Later BORs the Court interpret as obligations on the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Later BORs the Court interpret as obligations on the people.


    Good point. i think "special rights" are in and of themselves discriminatory. We don't need "women's rights" or "minority rights" or "transgender rights" we just need rights . I feel the very terms create unnecessary conflict

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Good point. i think "special rights" are in and of themselves discriminatory. We don't need "women's rights" or "minority rights" or "transgender rights" we just need rights . I feel the very terms create unnecessary conflict
    It's not so much special rights, though I object to those when the Constitution says general welfare, but a different between protecting the rights of the people to act as they see fit, like free speech or bear arms, and pushing obligations on society to act for you--civil rights makes sense in public places but not private, a business owner ought to be able to refuse you service just as you have a right to refuse to do business with him.
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    donttread wrote:
    Why not peoplist where everyone has the same rights. Vs. women's rights or minority rights . Just fair treatment for all?


    Feminists are feminists because, between the sexes, women are objectively the disadvantaged group. It may be worth adding here that, for me, feminism is not simply about rights, but about the realization of actual equality between men and women. "Rights feminism", if you will -- the kind that is mostly or entirely concerned with battles in the legal arena -- is alternatively known as liberal feminism. I am a radical feminist. The content of the general culture is important to me too.

    Incidentally, who says that being a feminist precludes one from also being a populist? I regard myself as both.

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    Second, it seems to me that the term, whether we call it hate term or pejorative, is not personal but ideological. When Hazlett coined it he seemed irritated with a certain group of feminists. When Limbaugh repeated it he was probably trolling a broader group, perhaps all feminists. But it's not like they're hating anyone personally. And so it's used the way rightwinger is by some, or liberal is by others.
    A term can be pejorative or used in a belittling way without being a hate term. The term "right-winger" would be an obvious example because it's not even a slur. Most conservatives would indeed accept that their ideas are politically right-of-center and perhaps call themselves rightists. Consider last year's infamous "Unite the Right" rallies, for example, or the mere fact that there exists a movement calling itself the "alt-right". Stuff like that. Many rightists, especially far-rightists, freely associate themselves with the term. In other words, to call someone "right wing" or a "right winger" isn't intrinsically an insult even, so it doesn't even count as a slur let alone a hate term. A hate term is one that is imposed on a distinct group from without, absent their consent, and frequently used to incite violence, threats, or advocate genocide, stuff of that nature; to create a toxic climate of terror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post


    Feminists are feminists because, between the sexes, women are objectively the disadvantaged group. It may be worth adding here that, for me, feminism is not simply about rights, but about the realization of actual equality between men and women. "Rights feminism", if you will -- the kind that is mostly or entirely concerned with battles in the legal arena -- is alternatively known as liberal feminism. I am a radical feminist. The content of the general culture is important to me too.

    Incidentally, who says that being a feminist precludes one from also being a populist? I regard myself as both.



    A term can be pejorative or used in a belittling way without being a hate term. The term "right-winger" would be an obvious example because it's not even a slur. Most conservatives would indeed accept that their ideas are politically right-of-center and perhaps call themselves rightists. Consider last year's infamous "Unite the Right" rallies, for example, or the mere fact that there exists a movement calling itself the "alt-right". Stuff like that. Many rightists, especially far-rightists, freely associate themselves with the term. In other words, to call someone "right wing" or a "right winger" isn't intrinsically an insult even, so it doesn't even count as a slur let alone a hate term. A hate term is one that is imposed on a distinct group from without, absent their consent, and frequently used to incite violence, threats, or advocate genocide, stuff of that nature; to create a toxic climate of terror.
    Yet rightwinger is used that way, even though rightwingers usually don't overreact--not the way some liberals overreact about being called liberals, socialists socialists, Marxist Marxist, even hint that someone's ideas derive from Marx expect a hissyfit.

    The alt-right is a label invented by the media. Most on the right reject it. Oh but mention the alt-left and liberals explode.

    Maybe the left is just overly sensistive.

    One supposes then that the term feminazi is used because the left uses nazi and fascist as hate terms and to toss it back is effective.


    feminism is not simply about rights, but about the realization of actual equality between men and women
    So I ask again, why do some women want to be men?
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