User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 45

Thread: Stakes high as Seattle considers business tax for homeless

  1. #11
    Points: 109,885, Level: 80
    Level completed: 72%, Points required for next Level: 765
    Overall activity: 33.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranTagger First Class50000 Experience Points
    Dr. Who's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    858311
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Gallifrey
    Posts
    45,276
    Points
    109,885
    Level
    80
    Thanks Given
    534
    Thanked 567x in 412 Posts
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    While I don't think that it's the responsibility of Amazon to deal with the city's problems, this is an issue for many cities. So many jobs are vanishing and leaving people without work. Those with an education and skills have a place in today's society, increasingly those who don't are ending up on the streets and it's only going to get worse as technology keeps eliminating jobs.
    "The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
    Mahatma Gandhi

  2. #12
    Original Ranter
    Points: 460,053, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 71.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    412300
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    140,882
    Points
    460,053
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    81,093
    Thanked 63,271x in 43,240 Posts
    Mentioned
    2144 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Technology also creates jobs; but you note a major problem- the uneducated.
    Alea iacta est

    Check out the blog.


  3. The Following User Says Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (05-15-2018)

  4. #13

    tPF Moderator
    Points: 43,559, Level: 51
    Level completed: 1%, Points required for next Level: 1,691
    Overall activity: 99.5%
    Achievements:
    Recommendation Second ClassSocial50000 Experience PointsTagger First Class1 year registered
    DGUtley's Avatar tPF Moderator
    Karma
    164233
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Northeast Ohio
    Posts
    11,454
    Points
    43,559
    Level
    51
    Thanks Given
    4,341
    Thanked 9,495x in 5,479 Posts
    Mentioned
    358 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    This is probably unconstitutional. It may cost the State of Washington business, if it's not. We have to find a way to deal with the education issue -- and I mean education where you can actually make a living, not one that just makes you feel good. Also, watch This Old House 2018 season -- the United States is desperate for trades people. Desperate. Good wages.
    Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect. -- Woody Hayes​

  5. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to DGUtley For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (05-15-2018),hanger4 (05-15-2018),KathyS (05-16-2018)

  6. #14
    Points: 62,967, Level: 61
    Level completed: 30%, Points required for next Level: 1,483
    Overall activity: 25.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    hanger4's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    210885
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Mountains of WNC
    Posts
    24,390
    Points
    62,967
    Level
    61
    Thanks Given
    12,394
    Thanked 11,994x in 8,087 Posts
    Mentioned
    444 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    This is probably unconstitutional. It may cost the State of Washington business, if it's not. We have to find a way to deal with the education issue -- and I mean education where you can actually make a living, not one that just makes you feel good. Also, watch This Old House 2018 season -- the United States is desperate for trades people. Desperate. Good wages.
    What happened to the 'trade schools' 'vocational schools' ?? Where I grew up the "Alabama School of Trades" was engulfed by the local Jr. College. I've spent my life in the trades, I've noticed over the years the buildings are structurally sound, even more so as construction tech advances, but the finish work is horrible. ............. Maybe Seattle should spend their money on vocational education.
    It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

  7. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to hanger4 For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (05-15-2018),DGUtley (05-15-2018),KathyS (05-16-2018),NapRover (05-15-2018)

  8. #15
    Points: 17,426, Level: 31
    Level completed: 98%, Points required for next Level: 24
    Overall activity: 71.0%
    Achievements:
    3 months registered10000 Experience Points
    Captdon's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    3394
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    South Carolina now.
    Posts
    8,272
    Points
    17,426
    Level
    31
    Thanks Given
    12,491
    Thanked 3,385x in 2,595 Posts
    Mentioned
    28 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    This is probably unconstitutional. It may cost the State of Washington business, if it's not. We have to find a way to deal with the education issue -- and I mean education where you can actually make a living, not one that just makes you feel good. Also, watch This Old House 2018 season -- the United States is desperate for trades people. Desperate. Good wages.
    But you have to get your hands dirty. Can't have that.
    Democrats are a clear and present danger to our democracy and our society.

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to Captdon For This Useful Post:

    KathyS (05-16-2018)

  10. #16
    Points: 90,974, Level: 73
    Level completed: 49%, Points required for next Level: 1,276
    Overall activity: 92.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsTagger Second ClassSocialVeteran
    MisterVeritis's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    282338
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Madison
    Posts
    44,559
    Points
    90,974
    Level
    73
    Thanks Given
    31,842
    Thanked 13,699x in 10,628 Posts
    Mentioned
    183 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    While I don't think that it's the responsibility of Amazon to deal with the city's problems, this is an issue for many cities. So many jobs are vanishing and leaving people without work. Those with an education and skills have a place in today's society, increasingly those who don't are ending up on the streets and it's only going to get worse as technology keeps eliminating jobs.
    I believe you are confused. Socialists, those on your team, eliminate jobs.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to MisterVeritis For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (05-16-2018)

  12. #17
    Points: 153,049, Level: 93
    Level completed: 74%, Points required for next Level: 1,001
    Overall activity: 81.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteranOverdrive
    Tahuyaman's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    254869
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Bremerton Washington or Sayulita Mexico depending on the time of year.
    Posts
    67,546
    Points
    153,049
    Level
    93
    Thanks Given
    7,704
    Thanked 23,833x in 17,898 Posts
    Mentioned
    373 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    This is probably unconstitutional. It may cost the State of Washington business...
    The Washington State Supreme Court will not overrule this tax. The only time they overturn a law is when the people vote in favor of a tax limiting mesure or decrease.

    It will cause Seattle to lose business as it is viewed as hostile to the job creators

  13. #18

    tPF Moderator
    Points: 43,559, Level: 51
    Level completed: 1%, Points required for next Level: 1,691
    Overall activity: 99.5%
    Achievements:
    Recommendation Second ClassSocial50000 Experience PointsTagger First Class1 year registered
    DGUtley's Avatar tPF Moderator
    Karma
    164233
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Northeast Ohio
    Posts
    11,454
    Points
    43,559
    Level
    51
    Thanks Given
    4,341
    Thanked 9,495x in 5,479 Posts
    Mentioned
    358 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    The Washington State Supreme Court will not overrule this tax. The only time they overturn a law is when the people vote in favor of a tax limiting mesure or decrease. It will cause Seattle to lose business as it is viewed as hostile to the job creators
    It will be interesting to see if this is constitutional, though it may be. Early on, there was a proposal to only tax larger businesses, which to me is unconstitutional. This appears to hit all businesses. It may be suicide but it may be constitutional.

    Correction: I saw this on www.Foxnews.com :
    The Seattle City Council on Monday passed a plan to tax businesses making at least $20 million in gross revenues about $275 per full-time worker each year. That “head tax” is estimated to raise about $48 million -- which authorities are marking for housing and homeless services.
    I again question the constitutionality of taxing a large business specifically b/c it has a certain revenue level.
    Last edited by DGUtley; 05-15-2018 at 01:09 PM.
    Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect. -- Woody Hayes​

  14. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to DGUtley For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (05-16-2018),KathyS (05-16-2018)

  15. #19
    Points: 22,703, Level: 36
    Level completed: 63%, Points required for next Level: 447
    Overall activity: 24.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteranYour first Group
    jimmyz's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    174846
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    8,939
    Points
    22,703
    Level
    36
    Thanks Given
    0
    Thanked 4,541x in 3,169 Posts
    Mentioned
    76 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    While I don't think that it's the responsibility of Amazon to deal with the city's problems, this is an issue for many cities. So many jobs are vanishing and leaving people without work. Those with an education and skills have a place in today's society, increasingly those who don't are ending up on the streets and it's only going to get worse as technology keeps eliminating jobs.
    Lettuce and strawberries still need picking. Unfortunately, the people you advocate for are moslty human detritus and useless in any way for the benefit of society nor themselves.
    " I'm old-fashioned. I like two sexes! And another thing, all of a sudden I don't like being married to what is known as a 'new woman'. I want a wife, not a competitor. Competitor! Competitor!" - Spencer Tracy in 'Adam's Rib' (1949)

    Art thou every retard among us related to thine uncle or mistress by way of moral or illegitimate rendezvous? Thus, we are one side of the other's coin by luck or pluck. - Jimmyz

  16. #20
    Points: 94,071, Level: 74
    Level completed: 73%, Points required for next Level: 679
    Overall activity: 52.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    donttread's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    77880
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    31,418
    Points
    94,071
    Level
    74
    Thanks Given
    4,245
    Thanked 9,845x in 7,402 Posts
    Mentioned
    198 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    SEATTLE (AP) — Seattle’s latest tax proposal to combat homelessness takes aim at large businesses such as Amazon that have helped drive the city’s economic boom.
    But the measure has sparked intense debate — even shouting matches in otherwise reserved Seattle — over who should pay to solve the housing crisis exacerbated by that growth.
    The City Council is proposing a tax on employee hours to raise about $75 million a year for affordable housing and homelessness services. Nearly 600 large employers making at least $20 million in gross revenues would pay about $500 a year per worker.


    Amazon, the city’s largest employer, would take the biggest hit.
    Supporters insist the online retailer and others that have benefited from Seattle’s prosperity and contributed to growing income inequality and skyrocketing rents can and should pay.

    Councilwoman Kshama Sawant, a socialist, said affordable housing is critically important and the council should “stand up to Amazon and Jeff Bezos’ bullying.” Construction workers chanted “no head tax” and disrupted a news conference she held last week on Amazon’s campus.
    https://apnews.com/e365b4a5132d4a64a...ign=SocialFlow
    A smart , but slippery move , on the city's part at least as far as Amazon is concerned. The taxes Amazon pays will really be paid by customers in some way shape or form . Therefore in part , the country helps out with the downside of the boom. But it's a copy cat world so who's next Detroit ?
    How about having you know planned ahead and had some tax or funding stream, rent controls, etc. in place building as the boom grew? If you have a city where large numbers of people need government assistance with housing, even employed people, than the city's economy has not boomed. It has failed. The boom has not reached far enough down to be called a boom.

  17. The Following User Says Thank You to donttread For This Useful Post:

    RadioGod (05-15-2018)

+ Reply to Thread

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts


Critical Acclaim
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO