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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Lots of people seem to hate Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, well, lots of liberals. Because she's a Trump appointee? Because she's rich? All sorts of wild accusations, it seems. I could understand why liberals disagree with her advocacy of school choice.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU9JJIgTng8
    I don't hate her; I just think she doesn't have a clue of what she's doing or supposed to be doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I don't hate her; I just think she doesn't have a clue of what she's doing or supposed to be doing.
    She's an avowed advocate of school choice, has been for a long time.

    I think in the video is a gravy of skyrocketing cost of education and flatlined scores in reading, math and science. Seems no one in public education knows what they're doing other than to spend our tax dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    She's an avowed advocate of school choice, has been for a long time.

    I think in the video is a gravy of skyrocketing cost of education and flatlined scores in reading, math and science. Seems no one in public education knows what they're doing other than to spend our tax dollars.
    I know she's big on school choice but it was other mistakes she's made that cemented my position on her serving as Education Secretary. Since off the top of my head I couldn't remember the specifics I pulled up some interesting facts on things she's bungled since becoming Education Secretary.

    https://www.eschoolnews.com/2017/03/...gest-blunders/

    To some it may seem that this is nit picking but as a tax payer I want whoever is going to be in the top spot to at least have some idea on the laws and basic knowledge of education. Ms. Devos does not give me that impression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I know she's big on school choice but it was other mistakes she's made that cemented my position on her serving as Education Secretary. Since off the top of my head I couldn't remember the specifics I pulled up some interesting facts on things she's bungled since becoming Education Secretary.

    https://www.eschoolnews.com/2017/03/...gest-blunders/

    To some it may seem that this is nit picking but as a tax payer I want whoever is going to be in the top spot to at least have some idea on the laws and basic knowledge of education. Ms. Devos does not give me that impression.
    To be honest I know little about her, saw the video, and posted it hoping someone would come up with some substantial criticism of her, as you have. So thanks.

    Nonetheless, each point made at your link to an eSchool critism could be disputed. Take the first:

    1. “Confusion” over IDEA
    DeVos raised red flags with many educators, advocacy groups, and parents of special-needs children when she displayed confusion over the federal IDEA law, which requires public schools to provide reasonable accommodations for students with special needs. She said the matter should be left to the states and seemed unaware of the federal requirement even when Virginia’s Sen. Tim Kaine persisted with questioning during her confirmation hearing. She also would not directly answer questions pertaining to whether all schools, including public charters and private schools, should adhere to IDEA requirements. When questioning returned to IDEA later in the hearing, DeVos told Sen. Maggie Hassan (N.H.) that she “may have confused” IDEA and that she would be mindful of special-needs students’ needs if confirmed as education secretary.
    Seems to me she initially wasn't disputing what the law is but whether it should be a federal law or handled by the states. And she admits to some confusion.

    In the end, she was confirmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It's hard to get past the stupidy of a failing comedian, but DeVos answered Stahl's question precisely. What's your beef with her?
    When did DeVos become a comedian? You are correct, she did fail as the head of the dept. of education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    To be honest I know little about her, saw the video, and posted it hoping someone would come up with some substantial criticism of her, as you have. So thanks.

    Nonetheless, each point made at your link to an eSchool critism could be disputed. Take the first:



    Seems to me she initially wasn't disputing what the law is but whether it should be a federal law or handled by the states. And she admits to some confusion.

    In the end, she was confirmed.
    I suppose you could make that argument; as you mentioned, she was confirmed so regardless of whether we like her or not, she is the Secretary of Education so it is best to help her get the job done within reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I suppose you could make that argument; as you mentioned, she was confirmed so regardless of whether we like her or not, she is the Secretary of Education so it is best to help her get the job done within reason.
    I don't know, maybe she's no good. But if it's not the federal government's job to fix education, what's left is he advocating what she thinks will help. What's been being done is failing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Toward the end of the video, it's pointed out that fixing public schools is not her job, not the federal government's job. All she can do is encourage states and local governments to try choice.
    The Dept of Education should be shut down. Education is not a federal concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    The Dept of Education should be shut down. Education is not a federal concern.
    I'd agree with that. It would be a first step toward improving education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I don't hate her; I just think she doesn't have a clue of what she's doing or supposed to be doing.

    Certainly nothing in this interview could give you that impression.


    My advice to you is to think for yourself and resist those who tell you what you are supposed to think.


    You will feel much more accomplished if you do some legitamate research and come to your own conclusions.

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